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    Since we're talking about kitsuke and hakama ties I wonder if I could ask those familiar with wafuku a related question?

    I think of 'ko-budo' as a generalisation for a vast array of fighting systems from different periods, differing social strata, and differing purposes. Given this, I think it is fair to say clothing changed from period to period, and dependant on the individuals social class/profession. The type of clothing can restrict the kinds of techniques able to be performed, so I see this as being an important factor in appreciating traditional martial arts. Would you be able to recommend references for what people in different periods wore in which situations?

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    “Prole Gap?”
    Mr. Lowry, have you been reading Fussell’s “Class?”

    “You’ve got to know that, as Douglas Sutherland says in The English Gentleman, almost the most important criterion in a suit worth wearing at all is ‘that it should fit well round the shoulders.’”
    Doug Walker
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    Let a single sword stand against the cold sky!

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    Mr. Walker,
    Strictly an off-the-peg sort of guy myself, but "the most important criterion in a suit worth wearing?"

    The Albemarle Street bespoke tailor Cyril Langley summed it up well in describing the sartorial discretions of a client, T.S. Eliot.

    "Remarkable man, Mr. Eliot, noted Langley. "Nothing ever quite in excess."

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    Mr. D Lee,

    Your post intrigues me, although I cannot provide you with any sought of valuable input.

    Further to Mr. Lee's post, does anyone have any information they can share?

    Ben Peters

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    Daniel,

    You picked a hard subject. Japanese dress customs is a very
    specialised topic that most would know nothing or very little about, yet alone a martial artist. It does have relevence to a degree but it would also encompass Yoroi wouldn't it.

    I have a lot of info on Yoroi ‚æ‚ë‚¢?yŠZ?z as I am sure you do as well. I will see have a look and check back on this site later.

    Thanks

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    Dear Mr. Lowry, Esq.:

    I never said that everyone who wears a man's kimono, Japanese or not, knows how to wear it. What I said was that it shouldn't be that complicated. The things that you point out are not too difficult to remember.

    Personally, I think that wearing a kimono properly requires a certain posture and way of moving that many Westerners find unfamiliar, thus their inability to look good wearing a kimono. I remember once seeing an American woman, apparently either on her way to or from a tea class, striding along the street with big, galumphing American steps. At each step, her kimono flapped open with a "thwack!" like a sail suddenly rendered taut by a stiff wind, exposing her underkimono and part of her calf. Truly a sight to behold.

    She may have had her colllar and obi properly arranged. But she didn't know how to wear a kimono.

    As for the Western obsession with the little details of Japanese traditional clothing, I agree. That seems more appropriate to tea or flower arranging than budo.
    Earl Hartman

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