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    Can you kill a fellow human being? If faced with a dire situation in which it would be socially (and legally) acceptable to defend yourself by killing your opponent, could you do it?
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    If I would not believe that I would be capable of taking somebodies life when it needs to be done, than I would not waste my time and especially not my teachers time studying MA...

    Hm, no matter the circumstances of the event, and the justification. I think most people will still be left traumatized with guilt and regrets. However it will be better to live with that than to be dead...
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    Guilt ,regret, confusion as to exactly how one feels, is the status quo, as to the experience of yours truly.

    During the period in which dealing with the mortality of human beings is active, one becomes detatched after awhile, as a matter of necessity. This catches up after awhile.

    When hearing about the "crazy vet" one must realize that a young person who is subject to such things, that does not experience an ill effect, is the one who is crazy.

    Thats military experience explained, now put the same text of situation, to civilian circumstance.

    The variable, is in, why.

    It takes a special kind of person, to kill, without emotion.

    But your emotions DO catch up.
    Sometimes it may become necessary, but......................

    Rightious and justifiable as it may be, its always there later.

    Think about that, the next time you perform a mock killing technique.
    Steven L. Malanoski

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    I dont know and hope I never find out.
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    Been there...Done that....

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    Originally posted by Don Cunningham
    Been there...Done that....


    Well now I think that covers just about everything for Don...

    But seriously, that has to be one of, if not the most thought prevoking questions posed on E-Budo since I have been here. It is defintately a good one.
    Myself and many members of my wife's family have had thoughts of the homicidal nature at one point over a long standing, unresolved death in my wife's family (our 2 yr old neice was raped and murdered by her mother's "bf" 5 yrs ago).

    Although I prescribed to the "temper justice with mercy" philosophy, I do believe that I could if necessary. Hell, if I couldn't why would I have joined the Army (we're all 11Bravos by training in the Army; cooks or not )? Why would I have gotten into law enforcement? Both trades may require such an act.

    I do think that I would grieve, however, to some degree. Be it from guilt or otherwise. I do not believe that a person is truely born evil, but learns to be through exposure. Deep down there is good in every human, the "evil" one have simply lost thier connection to that good.

    Granted there are some who are hopelessly devoted to evil, but you cannot help but pity thier poor souls for having blackened.

    Just my take....
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    I can't vote in the poll. The one answer I need is not there.


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    Originally posted by MarkF
    I can't vote in the poll. The one answer I need is not there.


    Mark
    What is it, maybe?

    Well, I don't think John L would have any problems with that question. Just look at a drawing of him in CQC forum.
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    if you are not prepared to kill, you can't possibly do the martial arts correctly

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    Originally posted by passions108
    if you are not prepared to kill, you can't possibly do the martial arts correctly
    um ... pardon me, but have you lost all your senses?

    Are you really ascerting that martial artists must all be able, prepared, and willing to kill in order to get any part of martial training correct?

    Just curious.
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    Passions108 is talking absolute nonsense (I was going to use a stronger word here, but I think the moderator would have censored it). Budo is about improving the self; it has nothing to so with killing. Let me guess: Passions has daydreams about defeating overwhelming odds and saving the day/damsel in distress/world for democracy (pick one).
    My advice: Get over it. Such attitudes (I'm only learning MA so I can kill?!) are dangerous. See you at your trial.

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    Unhappy I'm All Alone

    I just took the poll, and it seems that I'm the only one to answer, "No." It's a little lonely out here
    Seriously, though: MA is not the military, so comparisons between learning to punch and learning to shoot are bogus IMHO.
    Leaving aside the question of whether I have the "guts" to kill, as I could say, "Yes" now and balk at the time (since the issue is so momentous, I can't visualize it happening to the extent that I can supply a definitive answer), I would say that if you kill an agressor, no matter how "evil" they may be, you rob them of their chance to reform. Does anybody else agree with me, or am I truly a minority of one? I'm curious to know...

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    All passions said was "prepared". Which to me makes sense. Not nessesarily that death and killing are all you think about. But that if you pick up the sword, you should at least be PREPARED to use it...



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    Originally posted by passions108
    if you are not prepared to kill, you can't possibly do the martial arts correctly
    Is that what you think martial arts training is for? Training to kill?


    Prepared = a play on words and you know it...
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    Unhappy Bogus IMHO?

    Budo, literally translated means STOP THE SPEAR WAY.

    It is meant to prevent violence. The irony here, is that often one must fight to prevent.

    The english translation most popular to Bu is Martial.

    Martial means military.

    All the talk in the world, on this subj. matter, is cheap.

    The question was, can you walk the walk? so to speak.

    Either way, you'll never know untill, God forbid, you have to find out.

    You never have, well you better knock on wood

    And be sure it isnt good

    Oh, and what was the title of that famouse video?
    Budo, the art of..........................
    Steven L. Malanoski

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