Negishi ryu shurikenjutsu

[Soulend]

This is probably a very dumb question, but are the octagonal and cylindrical shuriken used in the Negishi Ryu pointed on only one end, or both?

Also, does anyone know of a place to buy 'real', traditional shuriken (not shaken, or "ninja throwing spikes in nylon pouch" type things), or are they normally handmade by members of ryu for their own use?

TIA..

[Alex Meehan]

The Budo shop in Suidobashi in Tokyo opposite the Tokyo Dome sells quality Bo Shuriken. The last time I was there it had two kinds - a large heavy one and smaller more 'conventional' sized six inch shuriken. Really good quality and they throw beautifully. They cost around $20 though.

Alex
Dublin
www.bujinkan.ie

Hi all,

I've prepared a short biography, in memory of Kanji Naruse sensei, 3rd headmaster of Negishi Ryu shurikenjutsu here:

http://www.secrets-of-shuriken.com.a..._kanji_bio.htm

If anyone has more info or can note some errors, I'd be appreciative to hear from you.

I'm not quite sure whether Naruse Sensei's teacher, Tonegawa Magoroku did in fact study under Shirai Toru Yoshikane as well as Negishi Shorei - I'm just trying to track down the source for that bit of info.

cheers,

Jason Wotherspoon
http://www.secrets-of-shuriken.com.au

[ouch!]

Originally Posted by Soulend

This is probably a very dumb question, but are the octagonal and cylindrical shuriken used in the Negishi Ryu pointed on only one end, or both? Also, does anyone know of a place to buy 'real', traditional shuriken. TIA..

Negishi-ryu shuriken are pointed at one end only. They are not produced commercially, they need to be order-made to spec. Headmaster Saito has his shuriken made abroad. He binds the grip himself in Japan.

[Baio]

hey david i heard the link i sent to my album wasn't working but this is the shuriken i was telling you about

[ouch!]

Hello Dean,

It is difficult to say if this is Negishi-ryu, but I suspect it is. Negishi ryu evolved from Ganritsu-ryu, which used a long, slender design. Traditional Negishi-ryu shuriken are relatively short and bulky. Both the head and tail are tapered. This shuriken certainly isn't traditional in design, but it may be a variation. I can email you a picture of the design I was taught by Headmaster Saito, if you like. Send me your email address.

[Nii]

There seems to be no problem with thread necromancy here on e-budo? Can I go dig up some dead threads? =)

[Baio]

i was just rewatching the nihon kobudo negishi ryu dvd and that exact shuriken is on there, though a bit fatter in the dvd

[Myofuan76]

Large and small Negishi Ryu Available @ www.myofuandojo-ct.com

Matt Hurlburt
Myofu-an Dojo Connecticut

[ouch!]

Negishi-ryu shuriken are not sold commercially. Imitations are occasionally being sold both in Japan and abroad. Buyer beware!

At an advanced stage in a disciples training, they are taught the production methods of Negishi-ryu shuriken. These methods, which include specific dimensions and techniques for careful balancing are a trade secret. The Negishi-ryu name and shuriken design are trademarks under Japanese law. There is a lot of confusion as to what a Negishi-ryu shuriken actually looks like, apart from it being octagonal in shape. Over the decades people have been trying to forge them based on speculation, vague descriptions and photographs floating around the internet. I have seen many varieties and thrown some of them too. The proof of the pudding is always in the eating. It may look good, but if it fails to fly consistently over a distance of 6-8 meters, you know you have a dud.

Negishi-ryu shuriken are handmade by senior disciples for personal use. Negishi-ryu is a koryu and students take an oath of secrecy upon admission. Today, there are only a handful of people who actually know how to make them. None of these people would try to make a quick a buck by selling them to the general public. Keep this in mind and buyer beware.

David Kawazu-Barber
Regional Director, Negishi-ryu Honbu

[bujinkan-Lu]

I think we live now in 2012 and too many People (even in Japan) put too much in secrets what is no more too secret.

Everybody who work with Steel and know something about Shuriken can copy a Bo-Shuriken.

For Shuriken Nage it is important to have a Set with the same Weight and balance point. Even i dont train in Negishi Ryu, but i seen already some different Negishi Ryu blades and there is no difficulties to copie them, just need alot of Time.
If you have 3 differend Sets of Negishi Blades you have the same Problem with balance point.
Maybe it gives a special technique to make the wrap of the handle, but also this can be copied when checked out a original one.

Because there are no nice copies are sold online what i agree (most copies are wrong dimensions, not straight or ugly) and even not in Japan, i decided in April to start making them also for myself only, but so many requests that i decided also put them in my Webshop where i sell handmade Bo-Shuriken from different Ryu-ha for everybody who is interested in good Quality.
I also put alot of Work in each of them (Negishi Style) and need abt 3-4 hrs to make them by hand.
There is no Problem for me with the throw....

So for my opinion, everybody who practise Shurikenjutsu should be able to throw with Negishi Ryu Techniques every Negishi Ryu Shuriken, however the Size or weight is and i know this knows everybody who study a traditional School of Shurikenjutsu, if not i would worry me.
Even i dont throw with Negishi Technique but other School technique, i have no Problem with the result.

Most of the People who dont train in Negishi Ryu, want it for collection or just want to throw a simular size and weight, so i dont think there gives any Problems how long they know how to handle with Shuriken.

Balance point can be changed easy when changing the Tip shorter or longer.

Every Shuriken School had his secrets for size, weight and balance point, but today the Schools what still exist are opened for almost everybody and are nomore the same like at the beginning, that can say everything is still top secret.


Christian Koch
Bujinkan Dojo Ludwigshafen, Germany
www.bujinkan-lu.de
www.shinobiya.de