New Army Combatives manual

[George Kohler]

Originally Posted by CoyoteG

but please don't attack an active duty E7 (SFC Larsen) for trying to fill a void that the Army neglected to fill for Many years....

Is he still an E-7? I thought he has been promoted. Both Matt and I go back since early 90's, before he started the combatives at 2nd Ranger Bn. He was also my squad leader before he left 1st Ranger Bn and moved to Ft. Lewis.

[CoyoteG]

Originally Posted by George Kohler

Is he still an E-7?

I'm only going by what I've seen printed in THIS Thread....he's been addressed as a SFC more than a couple of times....NO it doesn't seem right that a 11B ranger that's served in Regiment and as an instructor would Still be an E7....but I've seen stranger things happen in the Army....LOL

[Robert Cheshire]

Is there a way for non-military to view this info? I have students in law enforcement that are very interested in this sort of training and I wanted to see what else is out there to compliment what we do. I also wanted to see what format this is taught to the military. My thinking is it would work in a similar fashion with police officers.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

[George Kohler]

The book is out on the web. I think Matt placed the link at the beginning of this thread. Also, you could find out if anyone from the National Guard in Nac has trained in it.

[Robert Cheshire]

I tried the link at the begining of the thread and it took me to the begining page for the training, but, said I needed a user name and password. I figured this ment it was for military only.

I'll have to check out the local national Guard.

Thanks as always George!

Anybody have it on a PDF?

[George Kohler]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/fm/3-25-150/

Should help

[Robert Cheshire]

That worked - thanks again George for all of your help!

[mt2k]

Is Matt Larson still onboard here?
My dad and I just returned from a visit to the Ranger training unit at Ft. Benning and was trying to say hello to him.
We will be going back to Benning soon to attend one of the Ranger graduations and to watch the Ranger In Action demo.
Matthew Temkin

[George Kohler]

He shows up every once in a while.

Have fun watching the show. They made us watch it when I was in Ranger School (graduate 4-92).

If you see him, tell him I said hello and to stop telling his Philipines stories.

[Matt Larsen]

mt2k e-mail me at:

president@moderncombatives.org

I would love to meet you guys and bring you by the school if you have time.

[mt2k]

E mail sent.
Both myself and my dad are looking forward to meeting you and visiting your school.
And, even at 82, my old man can still demo some of the WW2 methods.
Matthew Temkin

[K_Dawg]

Matt,

I have been a fan since I first learned of the Combatives program in late 2003 at Ft McCoy , Wi. My Instructor was SSGT Donald Hennemen. I was a graduate from the Level 1 Program in early 2004 right before we were deployed to Iraq. I am extremely interested in staying active in Combatives training even though I am not in the Military anymore. I was injured while serving and am not able to be in the Army but have rehabilitated enough that I want to continue with my training. When my gear was shipped back to the States my Certificate of Completion and my Combatives Manual were lost. Even though I may never get my Certificate back I would greatly appreciate a copy of the new FM manual. I wasn't able to get it off the site address you posted. If you could send me a copy or a CD rom with the manual on it it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You.
Joshua Shane Kies

[uscollins]

I was VERY disappointed with the new Army combatives manual. Basically, its fine for a ring or dojo, but ridiculous for quick killing in close quarter's fighting. Grappling, Gracie Jujitsu, etc. are practical for SOME law enforcement situations but will get you killed in real close quarter's fighting.

The last thing I want to have happen is my buddy rolling around on the ground with a guy trying to get a choke to work (which is what most soldiers seem to do after receiving the combatives training). You just don't have the time to choke-out some jerkoff. Getting into a clinch is too dangerous, slows you down, and will get you a bayonet in the back from your enemy's buddy.

I found Jeffrey Prather's close quarter combat course extremely lethal, practical, easy to execute, and designed with the reality of close quarters combat in mind, not some over-hyped, hollywood-blessed, latest-fad martial art.

Ar Ramadi Vet

[Jeff Cook]

Your post is absolutely amazing, Jeff. Amazing for the ignorance you display about what the program truly is (again, it is NOT the manual), and amazing because it totally ignores the validity of the program - verified through actual combat in an actual combat zone.

Have you bothered to read any CALL after-action reviews, or the many successful anectdotes of US Army soldiers who have survived H2H encounters and loudly proclaim that they owe their life to MACP training? Furthermore, have you seen a SINGLE anectdote of anyone who has been killed or injured because they responded inappropriately based upon their MACP training???

Just trying to figure out where your disgruntled opinion is coming from, as it does not reflect the REALITY of this particularly successful program.

Jeff Cook

[Jeff Cook]

Hmmmm. Months later, and I am wondering if "Jeff Collins" is actually "Jeff Prather," as his ONE AND ONLY post on E-Budo is to put down MACP and promote a civilian program....

Jeff Cook