Bajutsu

Does anyone know from which bujinkan ryu bajutsu is from?

Dainichi Inuwashi

[cc_ninja]

From my understanding, Bajutsu (horsemanship) is from Kukishinden Ryu. Most all of the arts in the Bujinkan that reflect "battlefield skills" come from Kukishinden Ryu.

Now I have heard of some other Ninpo related skills that require a horse, but I don't think they are refered to as Bajutsu.

Richard Elizondo
admin@wanyunloong.com

[poryu]

Hi

The Kukishin Ryu-ha have lost the Bajutsu. Hatsumi himself can not ride a horse and from what i gather none of the shihan have studied the Bajutsu. It is just on paper now.

Even the Kukishinden Tenshin Hyoho no longer practise it.

However I do know that the Togakure Ryu still lists the Kishajutsu (archery on horseback) as being active.

A friend of mine asked Hatsumi about horsemanship and his reply was - join a stable if you wish to learn to ride.

The main reason for the loss is this. The high cost of maintaining and buying a horse are beyond the means of many people now.

[John Lindsey]

Paul is right. Even Tanemura sensei laughs about this subject as well. He says that today, you better learn to drive a car well, instead of learning to ride a horse!

[egeneto]

i dont understand this attitude.........why not say then

forget swords and shuriken and metsubushi and every other ancient method of warfare

we have handguns,and silencers and artillery and air power

not to mention all the high tech gadgets the cia and nsa uses


not that anyone wants to buy a horse and ride around slashing bad guys

all that stuff is just interesting its what drew probably 90% of people to the x kans

[poryu]

Originally posted by egeneto
i dont understand this attitude.........

dont know what your on about here.

there is no attitude from anyone who has posted an answer - just the facts.

The fact is Bajutsu in the Kukishin ryu (Kukishinden) is extint. question answered - happy now

[cc_ninja]

>Now I have heard of some other Ninpo related skills that require a
>horse, but I don't think they are referred to as Bajutsu.
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>However I do know that the Togakure Ryu still lists the Kishajutsu
>(archery on horseback) as being active.
Interesting, Kishajutsu (couldn't recall the name), since we are on that ..... it was not the Big Yumi used but a small bow (about 3ft?) known as the nuketi (?sp?) It was primarily used by the evil "Tengu Spirits" to rain fire down on the enemy. I love how superstitious people were back then.

>Hatsumi himself can not ride a horse and from what i gather none of
>the shihan have studied the Bajutsu.
As I too believe Bajutsu is a becoming extinct, however I know of at least one shihan who still practices these skills, however it is really not practical.

Never the less, I think everyone can agree ... Kukishinden Ryu is the right answer.

Richard Elizondo
admin@wanyunloong.com

i dont understand this attitude.........why not say then

forget swords and shuriken and metsubushi and every other ancient method of warfare

we have handguns,and silencers and artillery and air power

not to mention all the high tech gadgets the cia and nsa uses

The study of swords, shuriken and metsubishi in the Bujinkan cover strategies and concepts that are very much applicable to any weapon, any place and any time.

They are also easy make, find, carry, train with, etc.

Horses are NOT easy to make, find, carry, train with, etc. While a study of horsemanship as it relates to budo would undoubtedly be useful and informative on various levels, the cost, time and dedication required to do so is prohibitive to many. Cars, bicycles and scooters and such are the modern equivalent, and many of the bajutsu strategies no doubt can (and are) applied.

That said, if you persevere, maybe someday YOU will be the one who chooses to specialize in bajutsu and reaffirm it's value and interest to others.

As for what 'draws 90% of the people to the x-kans', that is the business and concern of those people only. If they leave disappointed and disillusioned that is their concern, and they are better off fulfilling their wishes elsewhere.

Hey; great guys, thanks alot for all the responses. This is what I was getting at, which John Lindsay alluded to...have there been any seminars on bajutsu as translated to modern times, i.e. stunt driving, motorcylce tricks, etc.? There were some guys in my old dojo about nine years back that were talking about it. I was wondering if anyone had begun the process of taking the bajutsu horsemanship techniques and "modernize" them.
I haven't actively trained in the bujinkan in nine years. I will be returning on Oct. 27 (yeah!). A lot has changed, it seems, though I'm only 25 years old so what do I know?
How can I get my hands on these old bajutsu tachniques that are "just on paper"? Can I write to the Honbu and ask Soke?
The bujinkan almost died in me; to know that other parts of it are in jeopardy of being lost drives me to train even harder.

Sincerely,
Dainichi Inuwashi

...and I am going to train harder, Oct. 27, Inuwashi is back! Oh, the joy!

Originally posted by Sunu Eagure
I was wondering if anyone had begun the process of taking the bajutsu horsemanship techniques and "modernize" them

I believe the Motorcycle Safety Foundation already has. The even offer courses.

Like they said, it is probably extinct.

However, like most things in the Bujinkan, if your taijutsu is good, and you learn to ride well, would probably be the same result as what is on "paper". While it is true that horses are rarely if ever used in combat anymore, as recently as in Afghanistan, Special Forces have ridden on horse back during combat, as it was the only means available.

I for one, and my girlfriend, who grew up riding horses, am interested in bajutsu...but it seems all for naught :-\

[John Lindsey]

Modern bajutsu:

[R Erman]

Now is that the kata in the big picture, and the henka down below?

[Marc Coppens]

http://www.bajutsu.com/French

http://www.bushido-online.com/ybajutsu/ English

Yoseikan bajutsu ; a modern approach by Mochizuki sensei.

Sincerely yours,