traditional judo

Abraham Nugroho:


hello could someone

explain me about

International Society of Traditional Judo (ISTJ

and the official site please

[CEB]

Founded by Rod Sacharnoski. Its part of the Juko Kai corporation. They probably have a web site. Do a search on google.

Abraham NUgroho:

i had info from mr Don Cunningham that juko kai is hoax
but what about ISTJ, are these really teach pre kodokan judo system before turn to sport judo ?

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ABRN
Abraham NUgroho:

i had info from mr Don Cunningham that juko kai is hoax
but what about ISTJ, are these really teach pre kodokan judo system before turn to sport judo ?

Mr. Cunningham is correct; the ISTJ is a creation of Rod Sacharnoski.

Below is a quote from the Web site Combat Judo.

The problem with this account is that it has been shown that most of Mr. Sacharnoski's claims are false, particularly his claims revolving around being a Marine in Okinawa.

A search on these forums will yield a lot of posts regarding "Doctor" Rod Sacharnoski and the Juko Kai, so there is no need to go over all of them here.

But here is the qoute from the Web site -- don't believe any of it.

One of modern day's great martial artists is an American who had the privilege of meeting with Kyuzo Mifune in the early 1960s. While visiting the Kodokan with a group of other Marines; and serving as Chief Judo Instructor for the Third Marine Division Judo Club, Camp Courtney, Okinawa...as he continued to train in the martial arts on both Japan and Okinawa. This man is Rod Sacharnoski....

Rod Sacharnoski began his martial arts training, in 1952, under Momoru Noguchi...He continued his training in Judo and the other Asian martial arts...and especially during his years overseas, in Japan and Okinawa....

It was while training at the Philadelphia Dojo of the great Kodokan Judo master, Takahiko Ishikawa, Kudan (ninth degree black belt), that Rod Sacharnoski was inspired to create the martial arts system today known as Juko Ryu...

It was an event in 1985 that finally caused the formulation of what is the leading combat Judo organization extant today. Kitahara Tatsuo Suzuki, then president of the Dai Nippon Seibukan Budo/Bugei Remmei, awarded the rank of Kudan, ninth degree black belt, in non-sport Judo, upon Dr. Sacharnoski for his knowledge, skill, and ability....Thus in 1985, was born the International Society of Traditional Judo (ISTJ), a division of Juko Kai Renmei.

As you will see if you search for posts about Juko Kai or Rod Sacharnoski, there is a telling lack of verification for many of these claims, and even for the existence of some of the people and organizations he talks about.

HTH.

[MarkF]

Originally posted by ABRN
Abraham Nugroho:


hello could someone

explain me about

International Society of Traditional Judo (ISTJ

and the official site please

Hello, Abraham,

As you can see, no one wants to start another thread about Mr. Sacharnoski, but there is likely no web site for it so all information about comes from Sacharnoski and another individual, George Parulski. You may also come across mention of something called the American Society of Classical Judoka, another fradulent organization of Judo.

Some Americans have been fooled into include the ISTJ as the "Kodokan arm" of traditional judo. The Kodokan has stated repeatedly that they know nothing about it, about Sacharnoski nor George Parulski.

To sum up, both organizations, the ISTJ and the ASCJ do not actually exist outside the minds (and wallets) of Sacharnoski and Parulski. Parulski pushes its existence to sell tapes and CDs, Sacharnoski is also peddling something with some serious flaws.

The others who posted here are correct about dredging up old news concerning these two individuls as this goes back at least to the 1980s, Sacharnoski back to the 1960s. Most of it can be found amongst the archives of E-budo.

On the top of any page, there is a button labeled "search." Click on it and you should find plenty about the two organizations and many more, using either name as a search term. Then use the other to find more written about these two men.

They both would like people to believe that competition, in the name of shiai, is not part of traditional judo, or original judo, but it is. The problem lays not with the sport of judo, but with those who would deny judo of its history.

Also, "sport" is not an adjective so to everyone, stop using it as if it were.

BTW: Abraham, if you do find something new on the subject please share it. That is always welcome as are questions on a subject. To find much about the topic of the ISTJ, you will most likely find the most information in a seach of E-budo. If you do find anything not mentioned in your search, it is certainly welcome.

Thank You MR mark

Abraham Nugroho :

Mr mark i have question for Yudo Federation ( Korea Judo )

are this organization is legitimate teach ( combat Judo )?

thank you

[D Dempsey]

Originally posted by ABRN
Abraham Nugroho :

Mr mark i have question for Yudo Federation ( Korea Judo )

are this organization is legitimate teach ( combat Judo )?

thank you

Are you talking about the Korean Yudo Association?

Originally posted by D Dempsey
Are you talking about the Korean Yudo Association?

Yes MR Dempsey

[D Dempsey]

I'm a member of the organization, I studied Yudo when I was in korea, but I wouldn't say that it's combat judo. Granted they do things a lot rougher then their japanese counter parts but that's about it. I think that Yudo is actually the pre-war version of japanese Judo, hence the more aggressive nature of it. Also most of the adults who study Yudo in korea are police officers, so I'm sure that lends something to it. Regardless though Yudo/Judo is still a viewed as a sport by the koreans who study it. I'll check with my father-in-law. He's a 4th or 5th dan. I want to know what his opinion is. Sorry if I couldn't answer your question properly.

[CEB]

Yudo is Judo. My teacher was a student of Wey Seng Kim. He was a Korean Yudo player. Also he was one Judo's premier heavyweights in the late 50s early 60s. He taught Judo. When he went home they called it Yudo.

Originally posted by D Dempsey
I'm a member of the organization, I studied Yudo when I was in korea, but I wouldn't say that it's combat judo. Granted they do things a lot rougher then their japanese counter parts but that's about it. I think that Yudo is actually the pre-war version of japanese Judo, hence the more aggressive nature of it. Also most of the adults who study Yudo in korea are police officers, so I'm sure that lends something to it. Regardless though Yudo/Judo is still a viewed as a sport by the koreans who study it. I'll check with my father-in-law. He's a 4th or 5th dan. I want to know what his opinion is. Sorry if I couldn't answer your question properly.

Abraham N

so what is the different between yudo and JUdo Mr Depmsey ?

for me yudo maybe more focus in goshinjutsu, forgive e if i am wrong

thank you

[D Dempsey]

Ed pretty much nailed that one on the head, it really is just Judo by a different name. The main curriculum change is that everything is taught in korean instead of the normal japanese. My main teacher studied at the kodokan so he used the japanese names sometimes too. That got really confusing. Other than that I can't really think of any real big differences, it's just little minor things.

By Amaury Murgado


Archaeologists have shown that cultural and technical advancement came to Korea through China. In turn, these advancements were later taken to Japan from Korea. Such advancements included unarmed combat techniques.

It is no surprise then that Korea has a rich martial arts history that includes all types of fighting skills. Though many people are familiar with Korean-style kicking and punching, most are not aware of Korean strangling, joint lock, or throwing techniques. They may not even know that the Koreans have complete unarmed fighting systems. Yudo is one such system.

During Korea's Three Kingdom Period, the Silla Kingdom (57 B.C. to 937 A.D.), developed specific throwing techniques for their Hwa Rang Do Warriors. Throwing techniques were also found in Taik Kyon, which could be considered Tae Kwon Do's predecessor. A primary throwing system, Kagju, was practiced in the Koryo Kingdom (918 A.D. to 1392 A.D.).

Many of the specifics of these techniques (but not all) would end up being lost to martial art historians. Many of them would later surface, however, in the various styles of Jujutsu in Japan.

Ironically, a complete unarmed fighting art would be reintroduced to Korea from Japan, by Jigaro Kano, after the Japanese occupation of Korea, shortly before the First World War. Jigaro Kano called his art Kodokan Judo, and it was a martial art based upon the application of scientific principles. A system specifically designed for self-defense.

Professor Kano was a distinguished educator and the Father of Physical Education in Japan. His martial art was unique in that it contained a self-defense system that allowed people to practice safely, in a form that could be taught easily as part of the public school curriculum.

His intent was never to have Kodokan Judo practiced as or modified into a sport. It is said that later in his life, Professor Kano witnessed a sport judo tournament and was dismayed at the lack of his applied scientific principles. Sport judo had basically become a contest of strength and resembled wrestling, instead of his martial art. Professor Kano was quoted as saying: 'This [sport judo] is not the Kodokan Judo that I teach, this will be the end of Kodokan Judo." Little did he know then, that he was foretelling Judo's future. Judo today is almost universally practiced as a sport, not for the purpose of self-defense -- except within the Republic of Korea (ROK) Yudo Association.

Yudo is the Korean pronunciation for Judo and some Koreans, both in ROK and in this country, tend to use the two terms interchangeably. Sports judo has flourished within the Republic of Korea and Korean sports judo players have distinguished themselves on the international tournament scene and in the Olympics. As is increasingly the practice however, I shall herein refer to Judo as referring to sports judo, Kodokan Judo as the teachings of Jigoro Kano, and Yudo as that form of self-defense which encompasses all of Kodokan Judo and incorporates additional traditional Korean martial arts techniques.

Jigoro Kano's teachings are the basis for the practice of Yudo within the Republic of Korea Yudo Association (ROKYA). Those teachings were reinforced and developed for the Korean practitioners by the teachers sent to the Korean Peninsula, from the Kodokan, during the occupation. The ROKYA have remained loyal to what they were taught by Kano, even when, during the Occupation of Japan following its defeat in World War II, all martial arts training halls were ordered closed, and when the Kodokan itself was allowed to re-open, it did so as a sport training center.

After liberation in Korea, the martial arts flourished, as ancient manuscripts were dug up from the ground in which they had been buried, hidden from the Japanese. Sport judo became very popular among the young, while the ROKYA remained loyal to its core teachings and began to reintroduce traditional Korean techniques to enhance its self-defense applications.

Yudo has no attack. The size of the attacker has no bearing on the ability of the defender to receive the attack, execute a technique, and satisfactorily terminate the incident. Since the student learns that the response chosen, in a given instance, must correspond to the nature of the threat encountered, minimum required force becomes the fighting standard.

This approach to self-defense inherently conforms to the American legal doctrine as it applies to use of force, and confronts the growing public concern with the level of violence demonstrated in many contemporary martial arts.

In time, sports judo outgrew it roots. Various sports judo organization were created to govern in the schools, colleges, universities, among the military and general public, and among the international and Olympic competitors.

By the second-half of the 1990's, the greying of the ROKYA had reached the point of serious concern, that traditional Yudo might be lost to future generations. It was time to transplant traditional Yudo, if the art was to be guaranteed survival.

In 1997, two senior Dans in Yudo, both Americans, were created by promotion certificates personally signed by Kim Chul Ho, then President of the ROK Yudo Association. In February 1998, the United States Yudo Association was incorporated and in April 1998, formal approval was given for the installation of US Yudo as the National Governing Body in the United States for the martial art of Yudo by the Yudo Committee of the Korean Martial Arts Instructors Association (KMAIA), a committee chaired by the new President of ROKYA, Lee Hwe Yul.

At the same time, approval was given for the rank requirements and the Yudo curriculum which had been proposed to the ROKYA by the US Yudo.

At a ceremony held in Seoul, Republic of Korea on November 1st, 1998 Grandmaster Joseph F. Connolly, II, was promoted to 9th Dan in Yudo by Grandmaster Lee Hwe Yul, President of the ROK Yudo Association.

Grandmaster Connolly is President of the United States Yudo Association. By this ceremony, the baton was passed -- from the Old World to the New World -- for Yudo.

It is the intention of the US Yudo that the memory and teachings of Jigoro Kano be kept alive and that Yudo, now a uniquely Korean martial art, become the martial art for the coming millennium in the United States.

Note: This is an abridged version of an article that was published in "World of Martial Arts" Magazine in the first part of 1999.


from this article it look like Yudo more focus to self defense than JUdo

Abraham N

[D Dempsey]

from this article it look like Yudo more focus to self defense than JUdo

Abraham N [/b][/quote]

Yeah it would look that way. I really don't know anything about japanese Judo or how they practice it. As for the history of Yudo I had no idea. My teacher didn't really speak english and I don't really speak korean, so it was mostly watch and learn. Plus I only lived over there for a year.