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  1. Seems to me that the pertinent question is, and...

    Seems to me that the pertinent question is, and always was, "Why would anyone expect them to be able to?" The salient issue there, in my estimation, is self-realization, and the dilemma with...
  2. Rupert, you and I talked some years back-- at...

    Rupert, you and I talked some years back-- at least 10, maybe as many as 15. As a fairly analytical person who trained aikido as a martial art, I found you to be one of the few respectable...
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    Yeah, but "I don't know" or "Locke" would have...

    Yeah, but "I don't know" or "Locke" would have let him get back to that meatball so much quicker.

    Anyway, until next time, consider it before you challenge it;)
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    I didn't ask if you agreed with the conclusion or...

    I didn't ask if you agreed with the conclusion or not. In fact, I explicitly stated that you don't necessarily agree with the conclusion due to a belief that a premise is false.

    I'm asking your...
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    Before I answer, you're no longer in disagreement...

    Before I answer, you're no longer in disagreement with my statement about fruit? Further, would it be accurate to say that you agree with my logic in making such a conclusion, despite the fact that...
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    Any natural consequence is appropriate. That's...

    Any natural consequence is appropriate. That's what we have here. One man acted naturally in response to bad behavior. (However, this is under the assumption that the state of nature/war has been...
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    There is no such thing as an unreasonable natural...

    There is no such thing as an unreasonable natural consequence. There are harsh consequences. There are bad consequences. However, if they're natural, such as being killed when you enter the state...
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    It's actually a personal application of the clean...

    It's actually a personal application of the clean hands doctrine.

    http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/clean-hands-doctrine/



    A sense of compassion for the victims of your son and the ability...
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    I think he did. He's overlooking his son's...

    I think he did. He's overlooking his son's responsibility for causing the situation and trying to blame others.



    To do so, when the circumstances are as they are here, in my opinion, is a...
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    We're all on the same page with what he's doing. ...

    We're all on the same page with what he's doing. My comment about it is that an irresponsible person spends time worrying about what others did when they (in this case, the person he represents) did...
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    Exactly. He looks to blame someone else for the...

    Exactly. He looks to blame someone else for the consequence of his son's actions.
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    Your entire argument rests on what you advanced...

    Your entire argument rests on what you advanced with those examples. That's why I only responded to it.



    So what are you saying in regard to the fruit not falling far from the tree?



    I...
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    I don't look to our system to regulate my sense...

    I don't look to our system to regulate my sense of right and wrong.

    The system is in place because people choose to be childish and need someone to sort out their problems. (Further, your...
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    Exactly. It's a child's version of accepting...

    Exactly. It's a child's version of accepting responsibility. It's the shell of responsibility with the phrase that follows ("and someone else is responsible too" or "but someone else is responsible...
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    And as I mentioned to David, that may explain the...

    And as I mentioned to David, that may explain the motivation for the father’s lawsuit. However, that doesn’t address the question, which is “How does his situation justify the lawsuit?”

    My...
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    Still in the same place. The question is about...

    in response to Kevin's statement that



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    Still in the same place. The question is about justification, not ability, outcome or motivation.

    I should have reread your initial post...
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    The question you're responding to is "Is a...

    The question you're responding to is "Is a lawsuit the only way for the department to get all the facts?"



    I posted the question under the belief that the questions that followed challenged...
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    Exactly. He doesn't have to worry about losing...

    Exactly. He doesn't have to worry about losing self-respect because, as demonstrated by his son's actions and his effort to overlook his son's poor decision making, he doesn't have a sense of...
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    How does that justify a lawsuit? Should a...

    How does that justify a lawsuit?



    Should a person's sense of right and wrong be contingent on feelings?



    And the only way they'll find out is by a lawsuit? Please explain that.
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    The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

    The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
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