budo as mikkyo

[cybermaai]

It is well-known that within certain ryuha, there are links with esoteric Buddhism. But could (non-sportive) budo itself be considered a form of mikkyo?

[Sochin]

For O'Sensei Richard Kim, kata was certainly mikkyo.

[allan]

Hi all,

Ted asks:

"could (non-sportive) budo itself be considered a form of mikkyo?"

I really don't think so.
a)Mikkyo is a very particular formulation of Buddhism.
b)The vast majority of modern budo has very little to do with mikkyo. If anything their influences move towards zen.
c) "Mikkyo" means secret teachings. The secrets are revealed only to those who are members of('indoctrinated' is a loaded word though I am tempted to use it) the tradition. Modern budo does not (or extremely rarely) function within these forms of organization. True, kata hold many 'secrets,' but these are different than what is meant by mikkyo.
When these 'secrets' are revealed (for example in the few but growing number of books available) they make little sense to one who is outside the tradition (f.e. they are often abstract metaphors).

Maybe most importantly to my mind however is that "mikkyo" means something very particular and to broaden its use in this way serves to empty the term of any real content.

Regards,

[freedom_fighter]

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[Steve Williams]

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[pacman2323]

It is well-known that within certain ryuha, there are links with esoteric Buddhism. But could (non-sportive) budo itself be considered a form of mikkyo?
Hmm I don't know how much Budo you will find in the Dainichi-Kyo the core of Shingon-Su mikkyo.Non sportive Budo could be mikkyo if it followed mikkyo dogma(which it doesn't)


When these 'secrets' are revealed (for example in the few but growing number of books available There are a couple of good translations in english if you read Japanese then get the sutras in there Japanese.However,most esoteric priest are corupt and out to make a quick buck.

-Chihiro Jonesone

[Joel Simmons]

Aloha,

You could say that priests of any tradition are out to make a quick buck, depending on the various services that they offer...but that's another discussion. The few Shingon priests that I am friends with are quite sincere.

I doubt any Budo traditions would be associated with Mikkyo. Most Budo are concerned with the "-do" suffix, as in following a particular way to improve your self. Not that Mikkyo doesn't improve the self, however, most koryu linked to Mikkyo did so because of the claimed "here-and-now" benefits of utilizing such practices. If you can execute a mudra or mantra on the battlefield that will help you defeat your enemies through some sort of divine intervention, then hey, that's better than sticking your head out in front of a blade! The older arts had a reason to embrace Mikkyo. They wanted the benefits of esoteric knowledge to accompany them to the battlefield. In my opinion, most Budo are not so oriented towards the battlefield tactics, as they are more concerned with making good people. I hope that made sense.