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Rei Ho
3rd May 2004, 16:17
I am very curious about something and since this is a place to ask questions about Kyusho and such, here it goes.

I have an old friend of mine who is a doctor. We were once discussing this subject and he felt that it couldn't be good for you to continually do knock-outs on each other. The person to answer this question would be George Dillman, or one of his students. I don't know if any are on this site, so I won't get my hopes up, but I would love to ask them some sensible questions about it.

There is no doubt in my mind that it can be done, for an old associate I met went to a seminar of Mr. Dillmans and got knocked out. He said one moment he was standing looking at him and the next, he was on the floor looking up. Also the question of whether it could be done in the heat of the battle. I don't want to say no, cause I don't know. I have always knocked people out the old-fashioned way.:smash:

Can anyone with real experience shed any light on this subject. Personal opinions in this don't count, but people with experience seeing, doing, or feeling it, please speak. Also Doctors would be invited as well. Also, people who have questions for them would be nice as well. Isn't this a good post?
Tracy Crocker :cool:

Troll Basher
5th May 2004, 11:48
Originally posted by Rei Ho
I am very curious about something and since this is a place to ask questions about Kyusho and such, here it goes.

I have an old friend of mine who is a doctor. We were once discussing this subject and he felt that it couldn't be good for you to continually do knock-outs on each other. The person to answer this question would be George Dillman, or one of his students. I don't know if any are on this site, so I won't get my hopes up, but I would love to ask them some sensible questions about it.

There is no doubt in my mind that it can be done, for an old associate I met went to a seminar of Mr. Dillmans and got knocked out. He said one moment he was standing looking at him and the next, he was on the floor looking up. Also the question of whether it could be done in the heat of the battle. I don't want to say no, cause I don't know. I have always knocked people out the old-fashioned way.:smash:

Can anyone with real experience shed any light on this subject. Personal opinions in this don't count, but people with experience seeing, doing, or feeling it, please speak. Also Doctors would be invited as well. Also, people who have questions for them would be nice as well. Isn't this a good post?
Tracy Crocker :cool:

Getting KOed in any manner is not good for your "melon"....however, it is one of those things that you have to go through in order to gain the skill/knowledge.
As for Dillman and his students........I would ask someone else.
I have met several serious MA people that have been to a Dillman seminar. The said 99% of his seminar is garbage. They aslo added that his KOs don't work very well and he often has trouble then makes up some BS excuse why it didn't work........one excuse was the man had a beard!:rolleyes:

I have also met some of Dillman's students.......they couldn't do squat.

Rei Ho
5th May 2004, 12:31
Well, you don'y know if you don't ask, I always say. Thanks. This doesn't seem to be a topic not many people want to touch. I appreciate your input. I don't know the man, other than what a friend of mine told me. Kind'a seemes to good to be true. Again, thanks.
Tracy Crocker

Troll Basher
5th May 2004, 12:40
It's a good question and I wish others would put some input here as well.
Also of note....most KOs that people claim to be kyusho, "neck wacks" etc..., are not kyusho as Dillman, Moneymaker, and others claim but the KO results from the brain slapping around inside the head just as if you were punched on the chin.

Therefore if someone claims a "neck wack" to xxx point on the side of the neck is xxx "kyusho" point they have no idea what kyusho is and are pretty much full of it.....you should then proceed directly to the door and train elsewhere.

Gary Liddington
6th May 2004, 14:59
It would be interesting to see what a 'western' doctor would say about kyusho strikes compared to what a specialist in eastern medicine would say, that's for sure. But continued strikes to the head that are hard enough to jolt the brain could cause permanent damage. . Just look at 'punch drunk' boxers.

I asked a similar question of a Doctor that I used to go to about the effects of such strikes, and his answer was purely based on the trauma caused to tissue by the strikes, and did not mention anything about energy/qi/ki etc.

Regards,

Gary

Troll Basher
6th May 2004, 19:41
Originally posted by Gary Liddington

I asked a similar question of a Doctor that I used to go to about the effects of such strikes, and his answer was purely based on the trauma caused to tissue by the strikes, and did not mention anything about energy/qi/ki etc.

Regards,

Gary


And what should he have mentioned?????

Gary Liddington
7th May 2004, 18:06
'And what should he have mentioned?????'

Well, maybe nothing, maybe something. I asked him about specific pressure points, used in acupressure etc and what he considered th effects to be.

What I was getting at is the difference in answer would I 'potentially' be given by someone skilled in eastern medicine ie: acupressure/acupuncture/shiatsu/tui-na whatever.

Mitch Saret
7th May 2004, 21:38
Dillman had an article in Black Belt awhile back. It brought opinions from a doctor that was one of Dillmans's students. It basically showed, with an uke hooked up to EKG, EEG, and other stuff, and the doc, agreeing with the premises that Dillman espoused. Now, while I don't put much stock in Dillman's stuff, the doc was pretty convincing, until you did some further research.

I have two doctors that are my students, one internist, who was a brigade surgeon for the Marines in the first Gulf War (yes, he was Navy), and one who is a surgeon. I showed them the article, and debunked it. With what info the article had that is. They basically said the doctor was using instruments in "suspicious" ways, and that the readings could be interpreted in any number of ways.

While I like pressure points and show them, they are not a primary focus. And I never show them as to what you are aiming for, just a bonus if you happen to get them, or as a method to a direct knockout, that's just ridiculous. And I don't bother with them needing to know the different meridians and points and all that. I don't think the average practictioner would have ever had that knowledge.

I also know an accupuncturist in the area. The difference in answer is pretty simple, an accupuncturist, unless he is a martial artist too, wouldn't know. They don't study the damaging side, only the healing side, at least in my experience.