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nicojo
30th September 2004, 01:25
Hello JSA friends,

Motivated by the "All out of interesting topics?" thread and my quasi rant contained there, I suggested to George Kohler that we come up with a FAQ for this forum. Hopefully you don't feel that I'm overreaching my authority here, but I felt like being proactive, and I am trying to make this a better place.

My own idea resembles the well-written FAQ's from, for example, the Aikido and Ninpo forums which seem to ward off some of the questions those ebudo members are generally tired of answering. Among other things those FAQs answer some questions of branches and dojo finding. I think we can do the same in this forum too.

So please post your suggestion for the FAQ and when it slacks off a bit I will revise and submit it to George for approval. I am only doing this because we don't have a moderator for this particular forum and I am as tired as you are of the perennial questions that can easily be answered. And perhaps it will improve our spirits if we don't have to all feel like clenching our teeth and putting on the nice mask, drawing straws to figure out who should tell someone "Ask your Sensei"

Please include any links to dojo search thingies, other forums or previous threads that you think will help answer a question, and by all means put your two cents in to provide a good answer, or modify someone else's. Then we can sticky this thread at top, and hopefully it will work to some degree.

Of course, I put this as a poll, because I want to be democratic about it, again since there's no moderator for this forum. If no one wants a faq, then I won't bother with it myself.

nicojo
30th September 2004, 01:37
Well, I voted YES because it was my idea...

But here are some possibles we could put on the faq.

1. What is the difference between kendo and kenjutsu? what is the difference between iaido and kenjutsu? etc...

2. Where can I find a dojo?

3. Where can I buy a sword?

4. What does TSKSR or YSR or AR or KSR or HNIR or MRIH or SMR or ZNKR or ZNIR or MJER or MSR or...mean?

5. Who is better, the Shinsengumi or the Ninjas of Hattori Hanzo?

6. How should I take care of my sword?

7. What are some good websites to learn about the sword?

And some possible answers may be...

1. okay, this will definetly be a collaborative effort.

2. okay, I personally don't have any dojo locator things, but I know there are pages for the Canadian kendo fed, and so forth...

3. We can recommend a few of the most common (I always see, in no particular order, SDK Supplies, Tozando, Meirin, Nosyu) or we can just refer to other threads.

4. Just give them the ryu names so they know what's going on?

5. :saw:

6. Previous threads, perhaps a link to swordforum.com, though I hate to reccomend the competitiors :) (J/k)

7. Ask your sensei. Get a sensei if you don't have one. Then ask your sensei.

Well, these could be posed a bit better, but that's what I have for now. Let me know what you think.

nicojo
30th September 2004, 01:39
I wrote...
I suggested to George Kohler that we come up with a FAQ for this forum. BTW, George thought it might work and said try it out.

Joseph Svinth
30th September 2004, 02:25
Kim Taylor and I made up some FAQ a few years back. Whether anybody views them or not is another question; judging from the comments here, I'd guess the answer is no.

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Iaito pricing: http://ejmas.com/ejmasiaitosource.htm

Making (or buying) bokuto and other wooden weapons:
* http://ejmas.com/tin/tinart_taylor_1100.htm

Which woods are "best" for wooden weapons:

* http://ejmas.com/tin/tinart_taylor_1100.htm
* http://ejmas.com/pt/ptart_taylorcol_0603.html
* http://www.aikiweb.com/weapons/goedkoop1.html

Some websites:

Japanese sword arts, general:

* http://ejmas.com/tin/tinframe.htm

Places to view old swords:

* http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Palace/1135/sights.html

Japanese traditional martial arts (koryu)

* http://www.furyu.com
* http://koryu.com/books/bookreviews.html

Iaido (Japanese sword drawing; aka batto-do or batto-jutsu)

* http://listserv.uoguelph.ca/archives/iaido-l.html
* http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/8187/Iaido.htm
* http://www.dragon-tsunami.org/Dtimes/Pages/articlea.htm (Toyama Ryu battojutsu)
* http://www.webdiva4hire.com/kenshinkan/index.html (Toyama Ryu battojutsu)

Japanese sword

* http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/nihonto.htm
* http://swordforum.com

Kendo

* http://faculty.washington.edu/kendo
* http://www.uoguelph.ca/~kataylor/jjsanow.htm

Finding a class:

USA: http://www.kendo-usa.org/
Canada: http://kendo-canada.com/
UK: http://www.kendo.org.uk/index.shtml
Australia: http://www.kendoaustralia.asn.au/
Rest of world: http://www.rain.org/%7Egalvan/ikfdir.htm

Joseph Svinth
30th September 2004, 03:04
Too late to edit, so some more thoughts for the FAQ. Unfortunately, some of these suggestions involve reading books, and we know that true martial artists view the library with far greater trepidation than Dracula views sunlight.

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What's a soke?

* http://www.koryubooks.com/library/mskoss4.html

Influence of Zen on the martial arts:

* William Bodiford, "Religion and Spiritual Development: Japan," in Thomas A. Green, ed. _Martial Arts of the World: An Encyclopedia_ (ABC-CLIO: 2001), pp. 472-505

* YAMADA Shoji, "The Myth of Zen in the Art of Archery," in Thomas A. Green and Joseph R. Svinth (eds.) _Martial Arts in the Modern World_ (Greenwood, 2003), pp. 71-91.

Early kendo in the USA: Joseph R. Svinth, "Kendo in North America, 1885-1955" in Thomas A. Green and Joseph R. Svinth (eds.) _Martial Arts in the Modern World_ (Greenwood, 2003), pp. 149-166.

Early kendo in Canada: Joseph R. Svinth, "A Proper Upbringing: Kendo in Canada, 1900-1950," _Journal of Asian Martial Arts_, 11:3 (2002), pp. 30-39. A slightly different version appears in _Nikkei Images_ 7:3 (Autumn 2002): pp. 1-3.

Early kendo in the Pacific Northwest: Joseph R. Svinth, "Knightly Spirit: Ninety-five Years of Pacific Northwest Kendo." Pacific Northwest Kendo Federation 25th Annual Kendo Tournament Program, November 13, 1999. Text and illustrations appear online at http://www.kendo-pnkf.org/about/history.phtml .

Joseph Svinth
30th September 2004, 03:08
Is this guy for real? If listed here, your guess is as good as mine:

http://www.soke.org/

pgsmith
30th September 2004, 05:31
Then you need someone to keep up with the faq! I think we would do better to just recruit a moderator. Didn't even realize we didn't have one!

You can run into problems with a faq. The foremost being that not everyone will agree with it. If you try to answer a question such as ...
1. What is the difference between kendo and kenjutsu? what is the difference between iaido and kenjutsu? etc...
You can get different answers depending upon who you ask since Japanese language is very malleable.

Also, for things such as finding a class, there are quite a few dojo out there that aren't listed in the large federation web sites. You can't include every possibility, so I think it is a good idea for those looking to run a search on past posts, and then ask.

However, for some of the basic stuff a faq may be useful. Possibly a listing of reference sites such as EJMAS, koryu.com, The Japanese Sword Index, Furyu.com etc... Maybe a brief 'how to use the search function' would be helpful. Too much information would be a pain to keep up with, and people should do their own research if they're interested. You wouldn't expect to see all of that information pinned up on your dojo wall would you? What would your sensei say if you kept asking him questions you could find out for yourself?

Just my two cents worth.

Cheers,

nicojo
30th September 2004, 06:41
You can get different answers depending upon who you ask...

Very true, which is why for this particular question I thought we'd just hook up a link to an archived discussion of it. That or the ol' kendo's got a shinai, iaido's got a sword in scabbard, blah blah, go watch a few classes. In any case, better minds than mine have tangled with things like this and jutsu/do and all the others we've seen a few times. I have no intention of trying to build a consensus when no consensus is possible. But simply linking to another discussion would work for some of these.

The basics are what I personally have in mind. Find those questions we see every other week and put links or simple answers in the faq and let the people go.

A dojo federation may not have a particular dojo in it, but if they consult it first and tell us, we may be more inclined to help them find another.

Listing reference sites like you say is exactly what I was thinking of. Hard to keep that balance between not too much information and enough to get some newb started. Still, we can list five sites like ejmas, koryu, kendoworld and a sword faq and be done with it. Search function hints too.

As far as recruiting a mod, I hadn't thought of that as an option. I certainly wouldn't want the position, but if you all have ideas for someone else, by all means, suggest. Honestly I don't think we have a mod because none is listed on the main page by the forum name, as there is for certain other forums. I always assumed George or John, when he was here, popped in from time to time, but was not dedicated the way Prof. Goldsbury and Toby Manifold are in the Aikido forum. But perhaps I'm wrong.

And I'm certainly not a die-hard for the idea of a faq myself. Just trying to come up with things here. At the very least, if a mod is ever recruited, this thread may help them out later.

gabro
30th September 2004, 09:43
How about:

What books are recommended reading for a beginning kendoka? (history, basics etc.....no I am not trying to study at home.....)

It seems to be asked now and again, and as I am starting to do kendo next Friday I would like to know the answer :)

Cheers,

Mads

Soulend
30th September 2004, 10:56
I made a simple FAQ for the JSA forum at BudoSeek. People seem to like it (sorry for the popups):

http://pub38.bravenet.com/faq/show.php?usernum=3254125796

pgsmith
30th September 2004, 15:10
Hi David,
That's a pretty good effort. Personally, I would be opposed to having something like that here. Let me explain a little about why that is ...

I've been here on e-budo for quite a number of years. The feel of this forum has always been one of an on-line dojo. More so in the early going, a little less so recently. However, this has always been the place where you can pretty much treat people as if it was a dojo. There have been in the past, and I feel that they still lurk here sometimes, a lot of very senior practitioners of the sword. I feel that they haven't given up on e-budo, as they have on various other forums, because of the dojo feeling. Those with stupid questions and an excess of arrogance tend to still be slapped down pretty well.

Now, if you start to coddle the newbies by providing all of the information that they could want at their fingertips instead of making them look for it, it loses that dojo feeling for me. There are various other forums that do this already, let them go there. If they do some research and have genuine questions, then by all means let them ask. There are some high-powered people that could provide lots of insight. If they are lazy and don't want to bother to look for themselves, then I think they should be hammered for it. Just the way they would be in the dojo.

I am not opposed to providing people with links and suggestions on how to conduct research. I am opposed to handing out information easily. If they don't want to put in some thought and work, I don't feel they need to be here. It's the same thing in my dojo. If you come in wanting to be handed all of the techniques and basics without working hard to understand them yourself, I'll respectfully ask that you don't bother to come back until you are ready to work for it.

Just my thoughts on it, others may vary.

Daniel san
30th September 2004, 16:29
I think Paul is right on here. If there was a FAQ that led to more questions instead of tired answers I would vote for it. Linking to swordforum, for instance, is different (and better IMHO) than a sometimes necessary two page explanation which does no good service to the person who asked the question.
Having ~something~ for the new people to look at is important though because nobody who is truly new has the vocabulary to use the inhouse search function to its fullest.


Just my thoughts.

gendzwil
30th September 2004, 16:59
Originally posted by nicojo
Well, I voted YES because it was my idea...

But here are some possibles we could put on the faq.
[snip]

Most of those questions and others are answered in the Japanese Sword Arts FAQ (www.kendo-sask.com/swordfaq.htm).

Soulend
30th September 2004, 17:34
Good points, Paul, although for the very basic things like "what's the difference between iaido and kendo" I think an FAQ isn't a bad idea. These are "pre-dojo" sort of questions. And after watching the 50th kid get a smackdown for asking about a sakabatou, or a "ninja-to", thought that might be good to include too. It could be argued that it lessens the noise-to-signal ratio.

Of course, Mssrs. Gendzwil and Stein have great ones, but having a small one germane to the forum didn't seem bad. Then again, at Budoseek we don't have near the JSA experience base that exists here, either. I wish we did..*hint, hint* :D

SLeclair
30th September 2004, 17:54
Why reinvent the wheel? All those basic questions are already answered in the Japanese Sword FAQ referenced above. Why do we have to be so special as to have our own little text that rehashes these questions in perhaps very similar ways (but surely not as lengthy and detailed as Neil's)?

If you really feel there's a need, just make a sticky on this board, call it the "e-budo sword FAQ" or something similar, and have the content be a simple link to the Japanese Sword FAQ. The questions are answered, and there's no need to write yet another sword FAQ.

---
Sebastien L.

Charlie Kondek
30th September 2004, 18:07
I voted yes. What would be good to have in an FAQ would be links to some of the best old threads that have been around here. For example, blocking with katana and edge vs. flat.

nicojo
30th September 2004, 18:21
Please read these FAQ's for examples of what I had in mind, from other e-budo forums.

Aikido forum--Important Guidelines for posting (http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19117)

Jujutsu Forum--jujutsu on the internet (http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7062)

The first is a request to keep the aikido conversation "smart" and not rehash old topics, using instead the search function first. Nathan Scott's Aikijujutsu guidelines (http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5559) is similar. The second is a page of links on the internet about jujutsu.

The Ninpo FAQ (http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17852) also heads off controversial subjects.

It wouldn't take much to translate those threads into JSA and be done with it, and quite frankly, that's about all I was thinking of, not reinventing the wheel by any means. In my second post I was trying to generate ideas based on the antifaq suggestions in the other thread. Simpler faqs work for me, the style would still be like the rest of e-budo. I'm certainly not trying to change the dojo atmosphere already mentioned; its an attraction to me as well. I think those faqs above do a good job of this--telling people to be respectful, think smart, and do some reading before posting, but also providing some direction for that reading.

Whether anyone actually reads a faq is debatable, as Mr. Svinth says, but it might cut down on things.

Charles Mahan
30th September 2004, 18:26
One of the problems with FAQs is that they tend to reenforce stereotypes. Here's an example of what I'm talking about.

Iaido is usually used to refer to mainstream iaido: the standard set of techniques proscribed by the Zen-Nippon Kendo Renmei (seitei-gata) or those proscribed by the Zen-Nippon Iaido Renmei (iaido toho).

I doubt that anyone here really believes that that is literally true.

This is an entirely too frequent misuse of the term. It seems to be born out of the prevelance of the way kendo folks think of Iai. ZNIR folks don't think of toho as Iaido and koryu as something else. We think of our koryu as Iaido and toho as toho. Seems to me that this idea that Iaido is equivalent to Seitei is part of what has contributed to some of the squabbles of the past. People tend to come on and make statements about Iaido and assume that everyone understands that it is taken to mean Seitei. Others assume they mean Iaido in the broader sense of the word.

Not trying to get into this again here, just trying to use it as an example of how it is possible for a FAQ to reenforce this kind of stereotyping despite a well meaning author. Could it be reworded to eliminate this kind of problem? That passage could be, but if you swing the pendulum too far then others will start to complain.

I'm pretty sure that FAQ was written with Kendo folks in mind, and I'm pretty sure it serves in that roll adequately enough. A FAQ here though will be seen as more authoritative I think.

Perhaps a FAQ which points to old threads would be preferable to one which purports to offer definitive answers to things which are very difficult to define.

nicojo
30th September 2004, 18:34
Alright, how's this for a summary of consensus?

1. E-budo's got it's own special feel, a nice mix of serious discussion and "work for it" knowledge base. Keep this going in any faq as the Aikido and Aikijujutsu faqs do.

2. Plenty of faq's exist, the problem is that not so many people are aware of them. It may help increase smart posting if we link to those.

3. We've had some great discussions here. Exhort people to use the search function to find them. For the most controversial/tired/unsettled topics specific to JSA, post a link to those previous e-budo discussions so they will at least get a primer in the discussion. I will need your help to find those threads and those topics. Again, "what is kendo/iaido/kenjutsu," what is jutsu/do, is seiza useful, is iaido a martial art, ad nauseaum, are the most likely and it wouldn't be much trouble to have them all linked in the same question.

I will try to put a rough this weekend. Keep voting and posting because it is far from settled that we need or will have one. This is a good discussion right here and I appreciate it. Please do look at those faq's posted so that we can keep narrowing what we do/do not want. Once I have a working rough, I will put a poll again, and everyone will vote on it. Then I will send it to George after revision if people like it. TY all. Now I have to get some school work done.


BTW this reminds me of most academic discussions lol. always remaining unsettled, but you learn through the unsettling.

pgsmith
30th September 2004, 18:47
Personally, if you are going to make a faq, I would much prefer it to be of the type that Nathan Scott made for the Aikijujutsu forum. It gives a new person some things to think about, but doesn't have a lot of 'facts' that can become controversial.

Cheers,

gendzwil
30th September 2004, 19:51
Originally posted by Charles Mahan
One of the problems with FAQs is that they tend to reenforce stereotypes. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. [snip]From that same document:

This FAQ is intended to cover all aspects of Japanese swordsmanship. However, my particular bent is towards kendo, so any flames about other arts are probably deserved. Heck, corrections or additions on anything in this document are welcome.
If you've got some better phrasing, send it my way. However, I note that you took that quote out of context. It was sandwiched between a general description of iaido and another phrase that says:

Iaidoka generally practice both those techniques and an accompanying koryu, usually either Muso Jikiden Eishen Ryu or Muso Shinden Ryu.
Personally, I think if you're going to make a forum-specific faq, have it reference forum content as has already been suggested. Make each answer a quick summary of the thread discussion, with a pointer to the thread or specific article which gives the answer.

Soulend
30th September 2004, 22:43
Originally posted by SLeclair
Why reinvent the wheel? All those basic questions are already answered in the Japanese Sword FAQ referenced above. Why do we have to be so special as to have our own little text that rehashes these questions in perhaps very similar ways (but surely not as lengthy and detailed as Neil's)?

If you really feel there's a need, just make a sticky on this board, call it the "e-budo sword FAQ" or something similar, and have the content be a simple link to the Japanese Sword FAQ. The questions are answered, and there's no need to write yet another sword FAQ.
Sebastien L.

In my case,'cause I felt like it. I have some things in there which aren't in the JS-FAQ as well.

Charles Mahan
1st October 2004, 12:13
Originally posted by gendzwil

If you've got some better phrasing, send it my way. However, I note that you took that quote out of context.

I took it out of context because it can be. That was kinda the point I was trying to make. I suspect most new readers do not read the entire FAQ and they don't necessarily pay much attention to disclaimers. I was just pointing out the tendency for FAQs to sometimes do more harm than good in some areas.

gendzwil
1st October 2004, 16:30
Originally posted by Charles Mahan
I took it out of context because it can be. That was kinda the point I was trying to make. I suspect most new readers do not read the entire FAQ and they don't necessarily pay much attention to disclaimers. I was just pointing out the tendency for FAQs to sometimes do more harm than good in some areas.
That makes no sense at all. If a new reader doesn't even bother to read the whole entry to the question, there's nothing to be done. He's clearly not going to listen to any explanation, so you're just wasting your time with him, whether pointing him to the FAQ, giving him an answer in this forum or probably even teaching him in person. I'm certainly not going to write a FAQ where every single phrase can be quoted out of context and considered absolutely correct.

pgsmith
1st October 2004, 18:41
Neil and Charles,
Thanks guys for illustrating the point I was trying to make earlier. Too much information in a FAQ for a forum such as this is NOT a good thing. :)

Cheers,

Kaoru
1st October 2004, 19:42
Originally posted by pgsmith
Neil and Charles,
Thanks guys for illustrating the point I was trying to make earlier. Too much information in a FAQ for a forum such as this is NOT a good thing. :)

Cheers,

I agree.

Also, a true FAQ is going to be useless. This is what I think...

We need FAQ sub-forums for the swordarts forum. Thus, we could have a forum for "where can I find a dojo?" and seperate forums for each, of some of the other frequently asked questions posted earlier in this thread. Then, we could just dump the best threads on these subjects there, and point people to these places. The mods could possibly lock those threads and then allow new posts, and post guidelines for making posts in the new forums, such as, "Please read these posts here first, and then do a search, then, if you still don't find an answer, please post here, not in the main swordarts forum." Note: This statement would be the title of the guideline rules post. That way, nobody will not read it. If they don't read the post, then put the rule in the subject heading. :) The "Where can I find a dojo?" forum would be set up similarily. Oh, and there also could be a misc. forum for such questions as regarding the sakabato and Is Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu real? We all get tired of those questions. This forum would also be set up just like how I suggested above, complete with the statement above, to put up.

What do you guys think? This could possibly cut down on the clutter and make it easier for people to find the answers on basic things like this. Or, I'm off on a limb? :confused:

nicojo
1st October 2004, 20:49
What do you guys think? This could possibly cut down on the clutter and make it easier for people to find the answers on basic things like this. Or, I'm off on a limb?

No you aren't on a limb...The Aikijujutsu forum has a specialized forum just for dojo locations, for example, and other forums have things like that as well.

But,

This sort of set up would certainly require a full time moderator for the forum, and even if it wouldn't, I think George is a bit busy right now. I don't know if the other mods have the time or powers to restructure the entire forum. Further, I certainly am not able to write a faq for each forum right now and unless someone is a dedicated mod who can sift through things and place them I think it would be more trouble in the short term. And it may strike some as a little too micromanaged.

Over the weekend, I am going to post a general guidelines and links page based on what I see as the consensus in a new poll thread so we can at least vote on that for this forum in the short term. It looks like the Ayes have it on this faq thing...The rough I post will not be final: I will need responses to those specialized question we want to deal with, but I think the posting guidelines will work and I'll frame language with everyone's concerns in mind. Don't worry, I'm open to criticism.

Chidokan
2nd October 2004, 14:58
what I would like to see is the seminars for sword seperated out from the main block...if not that at least have seperate sections in the seminar bit...

George Kohler
3rd October 2004, 14:22
Originally posted by nicojo
This sort of set up would certainly require a full time moderator for the forum, and even if it wouldn't, I think George is a bit busy right now. I don't know if the other mods have the time or powers to restructure the entire forum. Further, I certainly am not able to write a faq for each forum right now and unless someone is a dedicated mod who can sift through things and place them I think it would be more trouble in the short term. And it may strike some as a little too micromanaged.

I am a little busy, but if you send me a PM on what the concensus is, I would be happy to set it up (ie. other sub forums).

Kaoru
3rd October 2004, 23:26
Originally posted by nicojo
No you aren't on a limb...The Aikijujutsu forum has a specialized forum just for dojo locations, for example, and other forums have things like that as well.

But,

This sort of set up would certainly require a full time moderator for the forum, and even if it wouldn't, I think George is a bit busy right now. I don't know if the other mods have the time or powers to restructure the entire forum. Further, I certainly am not able to write a faq for each forum right now and unless someone is a dedicated mod who can sift through things and place them I think it would be more trouble in the short term. And it may strike some as a little too micromanaged.


The thing with sub-forums is, no FAQ is needed. The title of the sub-forum is the what tells the person what is in the forum. The sticky post I mentioned above is the forum rule explaining how use the forum, which would be posted in each forum. I can take the time to polish that off and write what goes inside the sticky post, if needed.

Tell you guys what... Make me a list of all the topics you guys are tired of answering, and I will then compile them all into a list, and we can then vote on which topics should become a sub-forum.(Simply because we will have many topics. We can add more if there is a need later on. Fair?)

Once that is decided, then it would be a collaborative effort to collect the threads dealing with the topics we voted on. We can send them to Mr. Kohler, and he could move them to the proper sub-forum. How's that?

We all know we need a "Where do I find a dojo?" sub-forum. That's a given. But, what else?

Kaoru
3rd October 2004, 23:28
Originally posted by George Kohler
I am a little busy, but if you send me a PM on what the concensus is, I would be happy to set it up (ie. other sub forums).


Hi Mr. Kohler,

I'm not sure if you are talking to me or Nicojo-san, but ok, just in case.

Chidokan
4th October 2004, 00:44
sub forums would be dojo locator, how to chose a sword/where to buy one, and seminar announcements for me!:D

pgsmith
4th October 2004, 18:42
Lovely sentiments folks, but I personally don't care for it. Of course, that's just my opinion, but you're asking for opinions here so there it is. Here's my reasoning ...

For sub-forums, you will need someone to take the time to mine the current forum and place pertinent information there. Sub-forums also won't eliminate any of the posts that you're talking about. What exactly do y'all think would be the difference between telling a newbie to utilize the search function, and telling a newbie to utilize the proper sub-forum? If they don't use the one, chances are good they won't use the other. You'll still get all of the same questions, you'll just have something a little different to tell them.

There is already a seminar forum. We don't really need a seperate one here.

Who exactly is going to go to the effort of maintaining a dojo locator sub-forum? Web sites change regularly. Contact information changes regularly. If it is outdated, its value decreases drastically. If you get tired of telling people where they can go to learn, stop doing it. Or maybe direct them to another forum.

What do you do when the person that volunteers to maintain the sub-forums decides he/she doesn't have the time anymore?

As I posted earlier, I liked this forum best when it maintains an atmosphere of an on-line dojo. How many dojo do you know that try to accomplish things by consensus? While exuberance and a sincere desire to share your passion with everyone can be a good thing, it has been my experience that this is not generally the best thing for the Koryu Sword Arts which are, after all, the subject of this forum.

We all know that there are some very senior practitioners that post here (on occasion). They are the ones that we are here hoping to learn from are they not? (or perhaps that's just me) Does anyone besides myself wonder why they haven't offered their opinions. Indeed, no one has even asked. Has anyone considered that if they thought it was a good idea, they might have said so? Myself, I am much more concerned with keeping them around to offer their opinions than I am whether some kid can find a dojo. There are several other forums that the kid can go to to find a dojo, but there are no other forums where you can ask 20 year + practitioners their opinion.

So as I said, these are just my opinions so they aren't worth much. I'm sure that everyone will do whatever it is that they want. Personally I think the forum would be much better served by applying all of that energy and effort into formulating some intriguing questions for our more senior members.

Cheers,

nicojo
4th October 2004, 23:19
Mr. Smith, et al,

It's funny how much I agree with you on these subjects: faqs, subforums and the dojo feel of e-budo. I proposed this faq as a way out of the complaints and as a way to try to reduce certain questions in order to leave room for other questions that may be answered or discussed by the individuals you allude to. I did not propose it to drastically change the face of e-budo or turn others away. I think you and I share similar expectations and concerns, and your comments in particular have helped me shape the faq. I also appreciate them because I suspect you speak for a silent portion of posters/lurkers here. In the end this was to be only a sort of "here you go folks, I have some time and I thought you wanted this."

I don't feel a burning need to have MY particular faq adopted, nor any other faq, but in the absence of a dedicated mod, I think that attempting a consensus may have some benefit. I have to say that unless this forum elects or is given a moderator who has mucho experience in the traditional three forms of JSA, or elects or is given a triumvirate, or something in the middle (and only two or three names in particular fulfill for me the first, while only a few more fulfill the second and third), we will remain, at best, a study group full of enlightened anarchic individuals who squabble but enjoy and learn from it; at worst a bunch of sullen complainers who paradoxically prefer the status quo to anything else. We may be an online dojo--and I never want this to change--but we have no single sensei in this particular forum, not even one mod to whom we give autocratic powers. Maybe that should change, maybe it shouldn't. It doesn't look like it will anytime soon! And I won't really have strong feelings one way or another until names are named.

I know you personally are not one of the complainers because you have invested time and intelligence in your posts in this and all other threads, not to mention helping me out personally in the past with some of my own requests for information. I'm indebted to you and everyone else here. All this being said, in hybrid democratic/autocratic fashion, I will start a thread that polls responses to my rough and while I don't particularly like the idea of subforums for the very reasons you bring up, I think that the box is opened and someone else may find it worthwhile to start a poll thread on that.

Best regards to you and all other pollers and posters. I sincerely hope you all will respond to my rough faq and let it die quickly or make it better. Either way, I put in a good couple of hours trying to figure it out, and that was worth it for me, so let me know what you all REALLY think.

nicojo
5th October 2004, 00:20
rough (http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28176)

Draft is up, vote if you care to!

George Kohler
5th October 2004, 18:33
Well, maybe we can vote on a Mod :) Have people nominate themselves and then vote on them.