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19th June 2000, 21:03
I decided to clear this question.

Best Regards

Ruediger Meier

[Edited by Ruediger on 06-23-2000 at 05:55 AM]

4th July 2006, 22:52

I ve got a question about the founder of both Ryu's. At the Ryu-Guide of Koryu.com I found that in both cases was the founder of the Ryu's Nen Ami Jion


Are that the same persons? Or are that two differnt persons with the same Namen?

Could anybody tell me something about that. And if that is the same Person why does he founded to Ryu's ?

Thanks for you help,

Thomas Mayer-Gall

5th July 2006, 02:16
It is the same person.

From what I remember, the notion that he founded the Isshin Ryu may be more legend than fact... ie. more a part of the legend of the founding of the ryu than historical fact.

5th July 2006, 03:39
Ellis Amdur discusses the history of Isshin Ryu in his book Old School. He suggests that, while there is little evidence to conclude that Nen Ami Jion was the actual founder of Isshin Ryu, it would not have been uncommon for a ryu's founder to give credit to great past martial artists who lives had provided him with some degree of inspiration. Thus the actual founder of the ryu (Amdur names Tan Isshin, the sixth headmaster according to the official history) could have named a list of his personal "heroes" as the "spiritual" founders of the ryu, even though they had nothing to do with the actual techniques of the school.

Old School contains an excellent section on Nen Ryu as well as the chapter dealing with schools of kusarigama. If you want more information, that might be a great place to start. Also, there are several practitioners of Shindo Muso Ryu (the school that has retained Isshin Ryu's techniques) on this board who may be able to answer your questions regarding the history of Isshin Ryu. I don't know if any Nen Ryu practitioners actively post here, but I remember reading some posts by a Nen Ryu practitioner during a search through the archives. If you search for a while you might find a way to contact someone currently involved in that school.

5th July 2006, 07:31

you can also look here (http://groups.google.de/group/fa.iaido/browse_thread/thread/f91e1e99577a61a1/2cc18bc6fc4377e7?lnk=st&q=nen+ami+jion&rnum=1&hl=de#2cc18bc6fc4377e7)

I asked the same question in fa.iaido back in 2000.
As you can see, Meik Skoss answered my question.