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    I am a long time Judoka and am thinking about starting Sumo.

    On the surface it would seem that Judo skills would be effective for Sumo. Could someone experienced in Sumo discuss crossing over from Judo?

    Also it is my understanding that the first person to fall (in anyway) or step out of the ring loses. Is this the only rule? Can you use straight Judo techmiques?

    Thanks in advance for the info!

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    To bum off of Jeff’s question, I too am interested for I have heard that in the olden days Aikijujutsu practitioners would have a go at sumo. (I know historically this is because just about everyone did sumo, but still...)

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    In the prewar Pacific NW, the sumo champions tended to be football linemen (centers, especially). The judoka, on the other hand, tended to be football running backs.

    This suggests different skill sets, with the sumotori needing to be faster off the mark, and the judoka having a knack for just slipping out of someone's grip.

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    A lot of techniques used in sumo have direct judo equivalents. Most of the trips are there (ko-soto-gake, etc.), as well as some of the bigger throws. I've seen uchimata used, and even (can't remember quite where, it was some very old footage) ippon-seoi-nage.

    Conversely, the super-heavy division at the olympics often looks a lot like sumo.

    Cheers,

    Mike

    PS: and then there's BJJ...

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    Sooooo, which one is which? Who is Vitamins and who is Minerals?


    Mark

    PS: I recently saw a US Sumo Championships tournament. Apparently, it was an open tournament as many sumotori made the trip from a couple of former Soviet blocks, and the Balkans was also represented.

    Also, a certain girl may want to take note, there was also a women's championship in the same basho.

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    The Japanese say they want sumo in the Olympics. Why, I don't know, as when that happens, you'll not see many Japanese medalists.

    Why?

    Because 6'5", 400-pound Japanese are rare. On the other hand, 6'5", 400-pound Tongans and Samoans are just high school kids who lifted weights two or three times, and quit because their mothers told them they couldn't afford to buy new clothes every week.

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    To get this back on track about the relation to judo, and the rules of competion, I remember seeing a televised amatuer Sumo tournament a few years back, and I was surprised to see a judoka aquaintance of mine competing. He was about 177 - 185 pounds, yet he ended up winning not only his weight catagory but the open division as well.

    Mostly he just used body movement learned from years of judo. No fancy techniques, he just "opened the door" and let the opponent fly through as he was rushed.

    So back to the original question (sort of), would any judo techniques be banned in Sumo? And also, could someone please clarify the rules. Is it any more complicated than just that the first person to stumble or step out of the ring loses the match?

    Thanks for your input.

    -JB

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    Default Re: Judo and Sumo

    Originally posted by jeffbruner
    On the surface it would seem that Judo skills would be effective for Sumo. Could someone experienced in Sumo discuss crossing over from Judo?
    Maybe it was only PR, but the press made a big deal some years ago out of Mainomi taking judo lessons from Yawara-chan (the popular girl who was always winning tourneys.)
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    http://www.sumo.or.jp/eng/museum/bas...ner/rules.html

    A bout is won by forcing the opponent out of the inner circle or throwing him in the dohyo. To lose the match it is not necessary to fall in the circle or to be pushed completely out. The rikishi who touches the ground with any part of his body, his knee or even the tip of his finger or his top-knot, loses the match. Or he need only put one toe or his heel over the straw bales marking the circle. Striking with fists, hair pulling, eye gouging, choking and kicking in the stomach or chest are prohibited. It is also against the rules to sieze the part of the band covering the vital organs. As there are no weight limits as in boxing or western wrestling it is possible for a rikishi to find himself pitted against an opponent twice his own weight.

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    Thanks for the quote and the link. Very helpful.

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    Default The Real Deal with Judo and Sumo (at least as I see it)

    The Real Deal with Judo and Sumo (at least as I see it)

    Ok. The balance and throws one learns in Judo can carry over to Sumo. However, you have to get past the tachiai (initial clash) first. Otherwise you will get blasted out of the Dohyo (ring) before you have a chance to do anything. Also Sumo really calls for you to be aggressive. In many martial arts, Judo included, we learn to let the opponent attack first, watch that attack and then respond. In the US Open (which I just got back from) I learned the hard way that the wait-and-respond mode does not work. Coming off the line fast and hard is much more important than throwing. If you are still standing and engaged with you opponent after the tachiai then your throwing skills can come into play.

    I am going to post my expereince and observations from the 2003 US Sumo Open soo. I think you will find it useful.

    Take care,
    John Hidalgo

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    Hey, John:

    That was the kind of nuts and bolts info I was looking for.

    Thanks for that, very helpful.

    -JB

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    Also here is a very useful link that was posted in a similiar discussion at judo-info.com.

    http://www.sumo.or.jp/eng/museum/bas.../kimarite.html

    This is an illustrated list of Sumo Techniques, some very similiar to judo.

    -JB

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    [QUOTE]Hey, John:

    That was the kind of nuts and bolts info I was looking for.

    Thanks for that, very helpful.

    -JB[QUOTE]



    No Problem. Glad to help.

    Take care,
    John Hidalgo

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    Hey, I'm the guy that starts the topic in Judoinfo that Jeff mentioned. I'm interesting in Sumo. Infact, I got into Judo because it is so close to sumo, and there are no sumo clubs in the area, and I'm a pretty lean guy. But after hearing the stories I here, I think there is hope for me do Sumo yet.

    I was just going to ask Oniyama a few questions, about Training for Sumo. I just started Judo (Just tested for my yellow belt monday, in fact) and when I master the throw as best I can, I want to give it a shot. I'm a powerlifter, so I'm a strong guy for my size. Any tips on modifying my Judo as I'm learn it so I can be ready for Sumo? Thanks.

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