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    Hello Mr. Pluck,

    Though Hakko-ryu does have an historical relationship to aikijujutsu/Daito-ryu, I moved your question to the jujutsu forum instead of the aikijujutsu forum because I think you'll find much more educated responses there. You also might try searching the forum as well, as I'm sure there have already been numerous discussions about Hakko-ryu here.

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    To the best of my knowledge, there's nobody teaching Hakko Ryu in the UK who is still affiliated with the hombu.

    The closest would probably be Dentokan, set up by Roy Jerry Hobbs when he left the Hakko Ryu. Some background at http://www.jujutsu.org.uk/articles/history for those interested.

    There's active Dentokan groups in Oxfordshire , Suffolk and the Midlands.
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    Graham,

    It is also my understanding that there are no Hakko Ryu groups affiliated to Hombu in UK, the style was introduced by Kirby Watson, who is now and has been for some years involved with another style, and R J Hobbs Sensei back in the 1980's.

    There are also some groups in Essex that have spun off from the group in Suffolk, I believe that they are also part of Dentokan.

    The Dentokan break with Hombu I understand occurred after death of the founder when the line was passed to the son who had some slightly more dogmatic ideas about governship of the style.

    It is also my understanding that it was not so much former Hakko Ryu groups were disassociated with Hombu, they disassociated themselves but one of the senior hombu instructors went with them.

    However be wary as I have come across a few so called Hakko Ryu Sensei in the UK that are shall we say are less than real, but these were definitely not Dentokan people though.

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    Its a Dentokan place that I'm planning to study with.

    Graham Pluck

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    Just to declare an interest: I run the Oxfordshire group.

    Graham, I think we've exchanged a few emails: did you have any luck in finding contact details for the Midland's group?
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    Yes, well, I've been in contact with a group in Yorkshire. However, starting training is dependent on me relocating to Sheffield, which has been delayed. But I should be able to start soon. Does anybody know about the Hakko Ryu books by Dennis Palumbo? I've seen them mentioned here and there, but they appear very difficult to get hold of.

    Graham Pluck

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    Mr. Pluck,

    Those books are very hard to find. I have all 3 copies, that I bought from a used book store for like $5 each. Amazon and ebay are the best bets on finding those books. here is a link for you.
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...105498-3744055

    hope this helps.

    Good luck,
    Jahun
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    Graham,

    Try Blitz they seem to have 2 of them, link is:

    http://www.blitzsport.com/books/jujitsu.htm

    Foyles in London have the third one, sure I saw a few copies last time I was there.

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    Thanks for the tips. Got a couple of books from Blitz. If anybody is interested, Hakko ryu is being attacked on a MartialArtsPlanet.com forum at the moment:
    http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...threadid=23455

    Graham Pluck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsujinken
    ... the style was introduced (in the UK) by Kirby Watson, who is now and has been for some years involved with another style, and R J Hobbs Sensei back in the 1980's.
    I know a bit about Jerry Hobbs involvemnt in the UK. Anybody know anything about Kirby Watson's training? Did he learn in Japan or elswhere? Who introduced Hakko ryu to the UK first, Kirby Watson or Jerry Hobbs?
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    Kirby gives a brief biography here: http://aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6567
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    Default Roots of Hakko Ryu

    As there seem to be a few Hakko ryu related folk about, here is a very Hakko specific question. I've read that Okuyama learnt Daito Ryu. Can most of the Hakko ryu corpus be found in Daito Ryu, or is Hakko distinctly different?

    I've also read that Okuyama additionaly studied: Kito Ryu, Takeuchi Ryu and Tenshin Shin'yo Ryu. Anybody know any more about this? Did these have much influence on Hakko Ryu?

    In short, what are the rooots of Hakko Ryu?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GCP
    As there seem to be a few Hakko ryu related folk about, here is a very Hakko specific question. I've read that Okuyama learnt Daito Ryu. Can most of the Hakko ryu corpus be found in Daito Ryu, or is Hakko distinctly different?
    I've not trained in Daito Ryu myself, so cannot compare directly. But I've had two students from different Daito Ryu lineages. Both recognised techniques at a superficial level. There were differences in execution and emphasis though. How much of that is due to differences between Daito Ryu and Hakko Ryu and how much due to differences between teachers is hard to say.

    Another way of seeing the Daito Ryu influence is to compare Hakko Ryu with Aikido - another Daito Ryu influenced art. Again at a superficial level the techniques are very similar.
    Giles Chamberlin
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