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    Default Which MSR reference book do you recommand?

    Hello MSR folks,

    Recently I moved away from my Muso Shinden Ryu group, and therefore I would like to buy a book on MSR for future reference ("in case" I don't remember my kata!!).

    As long as it covers Shoden, Chuden and Okuden in detail. My sensei stormed me with a lot of information in this single month that I can't digest...!! Also I don't mind the book being Japanese.

    Any recommandations?
    Mingshi (Jenny) Wan

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    Default Re: Which MSR reference book do you recommand?

    Originally posted by mingshi
    Hello MSR folks,

    Recently I moved away from my Muso Shinden Ryu group, and therefore I would like to buy a book on MSR for future reference ("in case" I don't remember my kata!!).

    As long as it covers Shoden, Chuden and Okuden in detail. My sensei stormed me with a lot of information in this single month that I can't digest...!! Also I don't mind the book being Japanese.

    Any recommandations?
    Hi Mingshi,

    Here are a couple that I have in my micro-library:

    Iaido Sword: Kamimoto-Ha Techniques of Muso Shinden Ryu by Richard Babin
    ISBN #1-58160-377-0

    Iaidohongi - Muso Shinden Ryu by Shigeyoshi Yamatsuta
    ISBN #4-7502-0272-X

    And one I once owned, but lost a couple of years ago:

    Japanese Sword Drawing: A Sourcebook by Don Zeir
    ISBN #0-8658-162-7

    Yamatsuta sensei's book is my favorite since it covers Shoden, Chuden and Okuden in good detail with plenty of pictures. It's been released recently in an English version (with the original Japanese) on Mugendo Budogu

    I also know Mr. Babin personally, as he regularly attends our iaido seminars here in the States.

    I hope this helps.
    Dennis Ralutin

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    Its MJER, but Koryu Iai No Hondo is a great reference guide.

    http://www.buyubooks.com/product_details.cfm?id=10523

    There are some references of Shimomura-Ha, although its mostly Tanimura-Ha.
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    Default Re: Re: Which MSR reference book do you recommand?

    Originally posted by Ralutin
    Hi Mingshi,

    Here are a couple that I have in my micro-library:

    Iaido Sword: Kamimoto-Ha Techniques of Muso Shinden Ryu by Richard Babin
    ISBN #1-58160-377-0

    Iaidohongi - Muso Shinden Ryu by Shigeyoshi Yamatsuta
    ISBN #4-7502-0272-X

    And one I once owned, but lost a couple of years ago:

    Japanese Sword Drawing: A Sourcebook by Don Zeir
    ISBN #0-8658-162-7

    Yamatsuta sensei's book is my favorite since it covers Shoden, Chuden and Okuden in good detail with plenty of pictures. It's been released recently in an English version (with the original Japanese) on Mugendo Budogu

    I also know Mr. Babin personally, as he regularly attends our iaido seminars here in the States.

    I hope this helps.
    I agree with the first two. Zeir is a bit quirky.

    Also, see
    • MUSO SHINDEN RYU KUDEN by Tadashi Fujita
    • Iaido: Sono Riai To Shinzui by Danzaki-sensei
    • Muso Shinden Shigenobu Ryu by Kimura Eiju

    available from Mugendo Budogu .

    HTH.
    Raymond Sosnowski

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    Default Re: Re: Re: Which MSR reference book do you recommand?

    Originally posted by R A Sosnowski
    I agree with the first two. Zeir is a bit quirky.

    HI Mr. Sosnowski,

    Yeah, I'm not exactly crying over the fact that I lost Zeir's book...*shrug*
    Dennis Ralutin

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    If you want just one reference book, as opposed to a reference *library*, I would go with "Iaido Hongi". "Muso Shinden Ryu Kuden" is also good, but doesn't contain material that isn't also covered in "Iaido Hongi". "Sono Riai..." is the only book that also covers the paired forms, but it is available in Japanese only, whereas "Iaido Hongi" is bilingual, and "Muso Shinden Ryu Kuden" is in English. I don't know anything about Babin's book - apparently Kamimoto-ha is rather rare, so you might want to make sure that there aren't major stylistical differences if you do another flavour of MSR.

    Mugendo Budogu is *the* place to get these and other budo books. Very good service, and unbeatable selection.
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    Nice stuff! Cheers everyone!!

    ... Is there anything "special linkage" about these authors? I know they are Hachidan Hanshi, but say, how about their involvement in particular organizations, other books, etc.?
    Mingshi (Jenny) Wan

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    hey Mingshi, one of my students is from Hong Kong, although learning MJER rather than MSR....perhaps when she goes home for summer etc from University you could get together and make sure she keeps training!!
    Tim Hamilton

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    Originally posted by mingshi
    Nice stuff! Cheers everyone!!

    ... Is there anything "special linkage" about these authors? I know they are Hachidan Hanshi, but say, how about their involvement in particular organizations, other books, etc.?
    Actually, Yamatsuta sensei achieved 9 dan hanshi in iaido and 8 dan hanshi in kendo and was one of Nakayama Hakudo sensei's direct students.

    Dr. Richard Babin is a practicing head and neck surgeon and has achieved 3 dan in iaido with the AUSKF and runs the Bluff City Iai Kai in Memphis, Tennessee. He has/is learning from many of the iaido sensei here in the U.S.

    I couldn't tell you anything at all about Mr. Don Zeir, though, and I don't recall his book going into very much detail on his background.

    Cheers!
    Dennis Ralutin

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    The zier book is nicely made, but the way the kata is done and shown has little resemblance with the general msr standard as you probably know it from your time in UK.
    Roar Ulvestad

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    Does anyone here know the background or credentials of Ichizuke Kyou, the author of two new'ish MSR books? Just curious.

    Regards,

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    Originally posted by ZealUK
    Its MJER, but Koryu Iai No Hondo is a great reference guide.

    http://www.buyubooks.com/product_details.cfm?id=10523

    There are some references of Shimomura-Ha, although its mostly Tanimura-Ha.
    Koryu Iai No Hondo is a great book .... but MSR is not really related to Shimomura-ha. In actual fact according to sources here in Japan Nakayama Sensei did not transmit any of the Shimomura-ha to anyone. He gave the densho scrolls for further studying but no oral transmission/instruction, which is a crying shame. Some of the -ha is known to Iwata sensei and Takeshima sensei in Kochi. They make references to the -ha in their teaching, but do not teach it as such. I am currently researching what is left over here in Japan. Even the Jushin ryu being taught now is quite different to that which was being taught here just 20 years ago.
    Richie Styles

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