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    Default Japan under pressure to clamp down on child pornography

    Japan has come under renewed pressure to clamp down on its huge market in child pornography following the launch of a campaign to ban a video game in which players earn points by raping schoolgirls and forcing them to have abortions;

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...ld-pornography
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indar View Post
    Japan has come under renewed pressure to clamp down on its huge market in child pornography following the launch of a campaign to ban a video game in which players earn points by raping schoolgirls and forcing them to have abortions;

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...ld-pornography
    I've played Rapelay and must say that if you want to "earn points by raping schoolgirls and forcing them to have abortions" you're gonna be disappointed... First, there's no earning points for anything. Second, there's no abortion. Third, one of the schoolgirl is 18 year old (3rd year Japanese high school) and you also rape their very endowed mother if that's any consolation. Also, it's more blackmail and coercion than violent rape. But since feminists have redefined "rape" to include any sort of intercourse that include penetration, pretty much every sexually active man and woman, hetero- or homosexual, has committed at least one rape in their life. As a final note, let me assure you that there are much worse games than Rapelay, both on the "close to child pornography" side and "violent rape" side. There are also better, more artful games, but no one wants to talk about them 'cause it's boring and won't give them visibility by stirring up controversy.

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    HAHAHA- usually I would just click past a post like this, but in your case I will make a (possibly undignified) exception.

    You Sir, are a fool- at best.

    For the sake of this well moderated and (usually) civilised forum's equilibrium, I will refrain from more pointed criticism.

    I had written several paragraphs on this- but realise that you would miss the point anyway- and anyone worth talking to would probably feel the same as I did anyway.
    I haven't read any of your other posts- I'm sure this idiocy would make them much more amusing than they would have otherwise appeared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidouleroux View Post
    I've played Rapelay....... Also, it's more blackmail and coercion than violent rape.

    Did you really think any game called Rapelay, would be a suitable subject for a game? What on earth would make you want to play that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bu-kusa View Post
    Did you really think any game called Rapelay, would be a suitable subject for a game? What on earth would make you want to play that?
    Do you really think a game called "Hitman" is any more deserving to be played? Or a game called "Postal" (after the expression "going postal" and the killings of USPS employees, though the game is not connected to these events), where in the first mission you have to piss on someone's grave? Or a game called "Manhunt" where you are the one hunting people? Or a game like Grand Theft Auto where the whole point is to make your place in the crime underworld? These games were all published quite normally in the United States. Of course there was uproar, but since it's not rape I guess you're okay with these games being made.

    I like people who play rape and/or violent games better than the real rapists and/or killers that litter our prisons. But hey, that's just me.

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    and ... /thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidouleroux View Post
    Do you really think a game called "Hitman" is any more deserving to be played? Or a game called "Postal" (after the expression "going postal" and the killings of USPS employees, though the game is not connected to these events), where in the first mission you have to piss on someone's grave? Or a game called "Manhunt" where you are the one hunting people? Or a game like Grand Theft Auto where the whole point is to make your place in the crime underworld? These games were all published quite normally in the United States. Of course there was uproar, but since it's not rape I guess you're okay with these games being made.

    I like people who play rape and/or violent games better than the real rapists and/or killers that litter our prisons. But hey, that's just me.
    Hey I used to play a lot of violent games myself (more like silent hill however). However there is a big difference between violent games and games whereby the entire aim is to debase females.

    Quick example: Violent games desensitize people to violence, that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Rape games (your words) desensitize people to Rape and sexual coercion, that is a very very bad thing.

    Would you let your sister / daughter / mother date someone who plays them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidouleroux View Post
    ...it's more blackmail and coercion than violent rape. But since feminists have redefined "rape" to include any sort of intercourse that include penetration, pretty much every sexually active man and woman, hetero- or homosexual, has committed at least one rape in their life.
    "Any penetration" isn't rape. Rape is not taking "no" for an answer. Sex through blackmail, coercion, intimidation, threats, or any other form of actual or implied violence, or having sex with anyone incapable of giving informed consent, is rape.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bidouleroux View Post
    Do you really think a game called "Hitman" is any more deserving to be played? Or a game called "Postal" (after the expression "going postal" and the killings of USPS employees, though the game is not connected to these events), where in the first mission you have to piss on someone's grave? Or a game called "Manhunt" where you are the one hunting people? Or a game like Grand Theft Auto where the whole point is to make your place in the crime underworld? These games were all published quite normally in the United States. Of course there was uproar, but since it's not rape I guess you're okay with these games being made.
    Why would you think that those of us who are against "rape games" are "okay with" the games you name?

    I like people who play rape and/or violent games better than the real rapists and/or killers that litter our prisons. But hey, that's just me.
    I don't like either of them, and there is a statistical probability that the former are more likely to become the latter than are those who don't seek such immoral gratification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Owens View Post
    "Any penetration" isn't rape. Rape is not taking "no" for an answer. Sex through blackmail, coercion, intimidation, threats, or any other form of actual or implied violence, or having sex with anyone incapable of giving informed consent, is rape.
    By "any penetration" I was referring to opinions put forth by some hardcore feminists. I agree on the whole with your definition of rape. What in my posts made you think I didn't agree with you here? I simply made a distinction between blackmail and (physical) violence. You may not agree to a difference of degree, but I would guess most court of justice do. In Canada, this means the difference between a summary conviction to up to 10 years (simple "sexual assault") and 5 years to life (with bodily harm, "aggravated sexual assault"). A threat like blackmail would aggravate things only if it were a threat of bodily harm to a third party (to a maximum sentence of 14 years). It does not cover "psychological harm" nor the usual kind of blackmail found in Japanese games, which consists in threatening to release "shameful" photographs of the victims.

    Why would you think that those of us who are against "rape games" are "okay with" the games you name?
    I would think people who practice so called "martial arts" would understand the difference between mock combat/violence and real, actual violence. Are we not practicing in mock situations so that we can deal, at a later moment, with real, actual violence? Then why do some have their panties in a bunch over this or any videogame for that matter? Kids have played "cowboys and indians" for ages, videogames are simply the modern version.

    In other words: it's not by banning "games" that you will best keep your children from acting in violent ways, but by educating them properly. Games, including videogames, can be a tool for or against this depending on how you use them. It is one of the lessons of the prohibition of alcohol, I think, that banning something is not a proper way to educate to the danger of said thing. It's not because you do not understand how videogames work that you have to ban them or disparage them. If everyone did this to everything, we wouldn't have anything remotely complex, let alone traditional martial arts or computers.

    I don't like either of them, and there is a statistical probability that the former are more likely to become the latter than are those who don't seek such immoral gratification.
    That is a general falsehood spread by fearmongers and those who do not understand statistics (including the mass media). No study has shown a link worthy of even the social sciences between videogame violence and real violence. Since there are millions of people playing violent games, but much, much, much less violent crimes being committed (and less every decade since WWII, per capita), the onus of proof is still on you and all of those who think violent games are so bad. For example, Jack Thompson, an anti-videogame lawyer, has been disbarred recently for continuing to put up cases against videogame companies even though he had no evidence of a link between videogame violence and real violence. Also, this argument can be shown to be useless by making the contrary, logically and statistically sounder, argument that those violent persons who also play violent videogames do so because they are violent in the first place and not the other way around. Without further evidence, this is as much as we can say with any certainty.

    Now, for the "immoral gratification" part... What makes you a moral authority? For all we know, you could be a closet pedophile. Let us construct a parable: Priests are viewed by some as such a "moral authority". Priests don't play videogames, yet some are pedophiles. Does being a priest make you a pedophile? Does it simply give you more chances of turning out as a pedophile? Or is it not simply the job description that attracts some pedophiles in the first place? In the end, people fail at life whether they play videogames or not. People have been failing at life since the beginning of life. That is what drives evolution (or do you not "believe" in it?). Banning videogames will do nothing to stop violence, just as banning bridges would do nothing to stop suicide.

    So, my advice to you is this: take your smug air of moral superiority and shove it deep into an "unclean" part of your body of your choosing, until you have such a thing as solid proof published in a peer-reviewed journal. I guarantee you will be uncomfortable for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time. Even then, I would bet the evidence would go against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidouleroux View Post
    ...I would think people who practice so called "martial arts" would understand the difference between mock combat/violence and real, actual violence. Are we not practicing in mock situations so that we can deal, at a later moment, with real, actual violence? Then why do some have their panties in a bunch over this or any videogame for that matter? Kids have played "cowboys and indians" for ages, videogames are simply the modern version.
    It's not a problem of practicing mock violence, it's a problem of the scenarios, and of which "side" the player is on. I would also point out that we practice physical arts to learn to defend ourselves and our loved ones. Practicing video games doesn't really compare.

    ...In other words: it's not by banning "games" that you will best keep your children from acting in violent ways, but by educating them properly.
    I disagree with the former, and agree with the latter.

    ...Now, for the "immoral gratification" part... What makes you a moral authority? For all we know, you could be a closet pedophile.
    And for all we know, you could be as well. I'll let my words speak for themselves.

    ...Let us construct a parable: Priests are viewed by some as such a "moral authority". Priests don't play videogames, yet some are pedophiles. Does being a priest make you a pedophile? Does it simply give you more chances of turning out as a pedophile? Or is it not simply the job description that attracts some pedophiles in the first place?
    Wow. You seem to be really reaching here.

    I know many priests who play video games. I don't know of any who play the ultraviolent and degenerate kind you named above.

    As far as priests being pedophiles, cases of child molestation in any case are terrible, but -- despite the anti-Catholic slant of the media -- the fact remains that such attrocities are much more common within families, in public schools, in Boy Scout Troops, etc. than among the clergy.

    ...Banning videogames will do nothing to stop violence, just as banning bridges would do nothing to stop suicide.
    I find that a specious argument, but if you can provide evidence of this, I'll be willing to consider it.

    So, my advice to you is this: take your smug air of moral superiority and shove it deep into an "unclean" part of your body of your choosing.
    I must have struck a deep nerve, since you are resorting to crass attacks. I doubt that most readers of my comments would have found anything I wrote to indicate smugness nor an air of moral superiority. I was simply stating my beliefs.

    I need to caution you that you need to keep your comments civil. Discourse is allowed here, but ad hominem assaults are not. The Administrator has made specific rules about this. I'd like you to re-read my comments, and see if anything there was in the nature of insults or attacks against you, and then compare them with your comments toward me.

    I think an apology is in order.
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    These are games; I've played video games all my life, watched violent and sexually hard core movies all my life (since about age of four-I had four brothers) and it didn't descencitize me to any notable degree. The reality is that those influenced by games are 'weak minded'. I'm not trying to be elitist but it's true. Making games illegal will take entertainment away from many strong, normal minded people that can play games and still be a law-abiding, productive part of a community.

    Entertainment?? To each his own; I'm not judging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky1899 View Post
    I've played video games all my life, watched violent and sexually hard core movies all my life (since about age of four-I had four brothers) and it didn't descencitize me to any notable degree.
    If I may clarify, do you mean ''violent and sexually hard core movies '' or do you mean ''violent movies, and sexually hardcore movies'' There is a big difference between the two terms, and its the more serious of the two that were discussing here, the games in question, involved rape as their main goal, and not just rape, but rape of under age females. Is that something that should be available to all four year olds?

    Also I have a personally problem with the type of person who claims to be 'into this type of game' who also claims that everyone ''pretty much every sexually active man and woman, hetero- or homosexual, has committed at least one rape in their life.'' This seems to be an attempt to reframe 'rape' as a less serious offense, this speaks volumes on the individual who makes such statements.
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    I am not going to get into this debate, other than to point out a reference. For those interested in the effect video games have on society, Lt. Grossman’s “On Killing” and “On Combat” are worth looking at. He makes a very good argument on the relationship of video games and violence.

    New methodology in measuring this is allowing researches to demonstrate there is a correlation and Lt. Grossman’s books are worth looking at just to get a look at how social scientist are looking at this subject.

    If you know of other sources, pro or con that address this, please post them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu-kusa View Post
    If I may clarify, do you mean ''violent and sexually hard core movies '' or do you mean ''violent movies, and sexually hardcore movies'' There is a big difference between the two terms, and its the more serious of the two that were discussing here, the games in question, involved rape as their main goal, and not just rape, but rape of under age females. Is that something that should be available to all four year olds?

    Also I have a personally problem with the type of person who claims to be 'into this type of game' who also claims that everyone ''pretty much every sexually active man and woman, hetero- or homosexual, has committed at least one rape in their life.'' This seems to be an attempt to reframe 'rape' as a less serious offense, this speaks volumes on the individual who makes such statements.
    I meant violent and sexually hardcore. I don't think depiction of rape in a game will influence those with a strong mind to go out and commit the act in society. My preferred games nowadays are GTA, Halo, GOW, and Call of Duty. I don't subscribe to "...everyone has committed at least one rape". I think the quote was in reference (satirically) to feminist groups that have a war with all men regardless of the man's character. As far as I'm concerned, feminist groups and members of this board can think whatever they want. It's a public forum, I'm not friends with those that subscribe to such ideas. I wouldn't be around them at the same time, I think each person has a right to play whatever game they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-budoka View Post
    and ... /thread.
    I realise that this section is for 'news from Japan- and not necessarily related to Budo...but PLEASE MOD. can you consider tucking this thread away- I am sure there is another forum somewhere on the Internet where this can play out to its predictable conclusion.

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