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    Hi,

    Is anyone familiar with the Miyama-Ryu Jujutsu style that can offer information on the art in general, principles, ranking system.. etc..?

    Does it follow a or the traditional Jujutsu curriculum? What are the basics of the curriculum?

    What are some of the major principles taught in this style and how does it compare with other styles.. particularly with those Jujutsu style that incorporate the "Aiki" principles such as "Hakko-Ryu Jujutsu" as I understand it.

    Does it incorporate mostly judo type throws as someone mention to me?


    Any responses would be appreciated.


    Thanks in advance....

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    Question MIYAMA RYU JUJUTSU

    Originally posted by taino1
    Hi,

    Is anyone familiar with the Miyama-Ryu Jujutsu style that can offer information on the art in general, principles, ranking system.. etc..?
    Does it follow a or the traditional Jujutsu curriculum? What are the basics of the curriculum?
    What are some of the major principles taught in this style and how does it compare with other styles.. particularly with those Jujutsu style that incorporate the "Aiki" principles such as "Hakko-Ryu Jujutsu" as I understand it.
    Does it incorporate mostly judo type throws as someone mention to me?
    Any responses would be appreciated.
    Thanks in advance....
    YAMANTAKA : Miyama Ryu is a modern style of Jujutsu, created by D'Arcy Rahming Sensei and, as such, should be examined and visited as such. But I have observed that most of the accolade this style gets come from fellows of dubious story, such as mr. Ronald Duncan.
    I don't know what is "a traditional jujutsu curriculum", since every style of Jujutsu follows its own curriculum and I never heard that Hakko Ryu Jujutsu includes "aiki" principles. To be partially derived from Daito Ryu and to include aiki principles is, I believe, two different things. But I may be wrong...Who told you that and based on what aspects?
    I would give you some links but curiously all Miyama Ryu sites are out of order(!!!).
    I wish you luck

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    Does it incorporate mostly judo type throws as someone mention to me?

    It incorporates strikes(hand and foot), throws, joint-locks, wrist-turning(kote-gaeshi), chokes, and ground controls.
    Defense against empty hand and weapon attacks from multiple attackers is emphasized.
    Joshua Chan

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    Joshua Chan

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    Unhappy ANTONIO PEREIRA OR D'ARCY RAHMING?

    Originally posted by Sagasuhito
    Actually, It was not created by Dharcy Ramming but by Antonio Perreira.
    Mike Mitchell
    YAMANTAKA : You are right! My mistake!
    Thank you for correcting me.
    Best

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    Thank you all!! for all the great information... This really does helps...

    I had several other questions ...


    What would you say are the key elements of Classical JuJutsu as apposed to Modern Jujutsu?

    Also, If an art is composed of mainly "Modified Aikido techniques", "Military Hand to Hand combat techniques", and "Judo" -- should this be considered Jujutsu? just trying to understand the distiction...

    Some objective points of view would be greatly appreciated.


    Thanks again....

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    Post CHARACTERISTICS OF NIHON JUJUTSU

    [QUOTE]Originally posted by taino1
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    What would you say are the key elements of Classical JuJutsu as apposed to Modern Jujutsu?

    YAMANTAKA : Perhaps this article may help you a bit :
    http://koryu.com/library/fabian1.html
    Good luck

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    Thanks!!!

    I'll take a read...


    Thanks again..

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    YAMANTAKA...and I never heard that Hakko Ryu Jujutsu includes "aiki" principles. To be partially derived from Daito Ryu and to include aiki principles is, I believe, two different things. But I may be wrong...Who told you that and based on what aspects?

    Ubaldo, since the definition of "aiki" has been debated far too long here, I'd be glad to talk to you about "aiki" and Hakkoryu! Please send me a note if you get a chance.

    Devon

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    Default Miyama Ryu

    Hello,

    I know that this is following up an old post, but I am responding to anyone seeking information on Miyama Ryu.

    The official Miyama Ryu website is at www.miyamaryu.org

    You might also be interested to know that there is a 3rd edition of the Secrets of Combat Jujutsu books that are now available.

    For a current review look in the articles section of Budoseek.net.

    Hope this helps.

    -- D'Arcy Rahming
    D'Arcy Rahming
    Author of Secrets of Combat Jujutsu
    www.miyamaryu.org

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    To D'Arcy Rahming
    Since you decided to respond to a 3 yr old thread. Perhaps you could correct a few things.
    1. I see you were credited with the creation of Miyama ryu here in this thread but left it unchallenged. For those who won't visit the website or read further- perhaps a reference to your teacher would be helpful here.
    2. A question was asked about its relation to classsical jujutsu. Perhaps a dicussion of the founder and his brief time in Japan, his class/meeting with Ueshiba sensei, and judo background would be appropo?
    3. The Trimount street address and relation to the name?
    4. Perhaps a a clarification of it being the "Parent art" of;
    "combat" Aikido
    "combat" karate
    "combat" Judo
    5. Mayhaps the begginer would be confused into believing or thinking that this new art is the "parent of...
    Aikido
    Karate
    Judo
    I'm sure you would not want to leave younger readers or begginers with that impression



    cheers
    Dan
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    Default Miyama Ryu questions

    Hi,

    Thanks for the questions. And thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt and asking for clarifications rather than just attacking.

    Of course, I am not the founder of Miyama Ryu combat Jujutsu, that distinction belongs to Antonio Pereria. He was a WWII combat veteran who was exposed to hand to hand combat methods as he was a sniper during the war.

    He fell in love with the arts and pursued them after the war. He researched through the practice of Judo, some karate and anything he could lay his hands on at the time. (Remember good information and instructors were scarce in the 40's and 50's).

    Eventually he opened a school on Tremont Ave (about 1960) in the Bronx NY and gave self defense classes. He just called it Combato. It was based on responses to street attacks that people in his area were experiencing.

    He was giving a demonstration at a health club where he was noticed by a Japanese Judo instructor who was visiting.

    Mr. Pereira was encouraged to go and study in Japan. Which he did. He earned a Nidan from the Kodokan and a teaching certificate signed by Ueshiba from the Aikikai.

    But his students rejected the arts of Judo and Aikido in their pure forms. They wanted to return to more scenario based training, which Pereira now recognized as Jujutsu.

    Through an acquaintance Nelson Fleming (who was largely based in Japan at the time) they formed the Sosuishitsu ryu federation under professor Shitama.

    If you are familiar with the Sosuishitsu curriculum, from my knowledge of it (which is limited,) it appears to be largely two man Kata based, some of which are performed from the Seiza position. Again Pereira found himself substituting the curriculum to meet the self-defense needs of the people.

    So he renamed his teaching method Miyama Ryu, School of the Three mountains, or Tremont (from the name of the street). From there it has branched out Worldwide and taught in various police academies, civilian dojos etc. There are many incidents that attest to the effectiveness of it.

    In fact, it is now even being taught to Soldiers in Iraq, and has already proven effective in saving some lives over there.

    Check out the links section of www.miyamaryu.org.

    So as they say the rest is history.

    Now my website says "discover the parent art of Combat Karate, Combat Judo,and Combat Aikido". I am of course refering to Jujutsu in general as it is a Jujutsu site. And Jujutsu is a parent art.

    Miyama Ryu is a modern teaching method of Jujutsu, utilizing classical techniques to defend against attacks that you would see on today's streets.

    It was not my intention to confuse anyone. And my sincere apologies if it was interperted in this manner. And as you look through the rest of the site, the history section etc. it is clearly not my intention.

    I used the word combat to distinguish between sport and gladiator type arts (such as UFC). In my experience the preparation, training method and final outcome is different between the combat arts and sporting arts.

    Finally, Thank you again for giving me a chance to respond. And if I said anything that is unclear I will be glad to try and clarify.

    -- D'Arcy Rahming
    Author of the Secrets of Combat Jujutsu Books
    www.miyamaryu.org
    D'Arcy Rahming
    Author of Secrets of Combat Jujutsu
    www.miyamaryu.org

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    Finally, Thank you again for giving me a chance to respond. And if I said anything that is unclear I will be glad to try and clarify.

    -- D'Arcy Rahming
    Author of the Secrets of Combat Jujutsu Books
    www.miyamaryu.org


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    Hi D'Arcy

    Actually I knew the answers to all of my questions as I know several guys from the old days. You know how the internet goes-I thought it might be nice for you to spell it out for the newer guys reading and/or researching.
    I also know you are top drawer _and_ a nice guy so it should come from you and not me or others. Next thing ya know you'd be the founder and not the "old man." heh heh..
    Wouldn't he just love that?
    Anyway, it was your call to fill in the blanks. See what I mean?

    Thanks for setting the record straight.

    For those who may be reading who do not know; Miyama ryu is an example of a straight forward and directly to-the-point jujutsu style that gets the job done. There were several noteworthy people who did it and/or or are still in it.

    cheers
    Dan
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    Does anyone know why Pereira named his art Miyama-ryu. I can only assume he did not want to be one of those guys who names his art after himself. And he felt that each individual makes the art his/her own therefore; my...name...art or family. Mi meaning "mine" in Spanish. Yama meaning "is called" or "I am called" in Spanish although that would be phonetically spelling "llama" which is the proper spelling. And then ryu...Miyama-ryu.

    This is just a wild guess. But I always thought there was some validity to it. Kind of an inside joke.

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    Originally posted by Denis Torres
    Does anyone know why Pereira named his art Miyama-ryu.
    Tremont avenue= "Tres mont"in french=three mountains= mi yama

    He named it after Tremont avenue, though your joke (and the "judo, aikido, karate" thing) has been around a while....
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